LU Jax Bath Salts? - London Underground Jax Bath Salts Report / Review

[Live4evr]

I have an order on the way (should be here within 7-10 days). However, I was wondering what to expect? Does anyone know how they compare to LU Doves?

Incredibly expensive though!

[Pickled]

Are they more expensive than Doves then.These are ment to be better by 30% they carn't be Butylone can they.I wonder if it's Methylone based......Carn't wait to get a damn good soaking out of these bath salts myself..Defo write up a report when you get them.A lot of people are curious.:)

[CrashGordon08]

What are the contents of each pack? Two pills or is it powder?

*Thought i'd add after looking around a bit are these going for twenty pounds
for two pills? I can't seem to find them any lower less i'm looking in the wrong place.
Keep us informed as to how they.

[kenta]

What are the contents of each pack? Two pills or is it powder?
Two pills per pack

[wildguy6969]

cant wait to try these eather!
:D

[CrashGordon08]

Lu really really needs to lower there prices not just on this on everything.

The Market has changed since a year ago when LU was at the Top of legals
now with so many alternatives there must be hurting now. If at small volumes
similar substances are s tremendous value and LU must buy truckloads.

LU will have to cut there prices in Half on everything if the want to continue to have any market for themselves.

[Live4evr]

Lu really really needs to lower there prices not just on this on everything.

The Market has changed since a year ago when LU was at the Top of legals
now with so many alternatives there must be hurting now. If at small volumes
similar substances are s tremendous value and LU must buy truckloads.

LU will have to cut there prices in Half on everything if the want to continue to have any market for themselves.

Agreed. I was SHOCKED at the price of the Jax Bath Salts. Like seriously, wtf

LU never adjusts their prices either - they never have a sale, they have have a special promotion, and they never bring the prices down -- Ideally, Doves and Daze prices should be lowered with the announcement of the Jax product.

Although I still do love LU - the Generation 3.1 range made me sick for a week (like really bad, too) in the summer of 2007 - Head Candy specifically - and that almost turned me off from the industry - but then Doves appeared and I gave them a second chance, and love it....then Daze, too.....Now Jax should be here by Monday/Tuesday, looking forward to trying it....but the price is ridiculous, don't think i'll buy many of them at that price!

[kenta]

... LU never adjusts their prices either - they never have a sale, they have have a special promotion ...
This is not true. Id say they give their customers discounts in one way or another one time per year. As a matter of fact they have an offer right now.

[SecretAgent79]

Ive found a site that sell em in uk, 19.99 4 a pack of 2, is that how much they are usally are?? Canny wait to try these although im not expecting em to be as gud as the ones that got banned.

[FriendlyToker]

I received the package with 5 2packs of Jax (2packs LOL). Crushed one pill, took two capsules and carefully split it in half.
Ingested one half at 16:15. At 17:00 I could feel the first effects, which included softy legs and somehow "plushy" feeling of the world. After 15-20 minutes from feeling the first effect they stroke me at their full power. I could only whisper "oh god" - I was doing everything slowly, very comfortably, I wanted to talk and enjoy the day, feeling, being. At around 18:20 I have felt a bit "powerless", indicating the need for calories. At around 18:40 I have ingested another half, ate two Mars (without any problem besides dry mouth, but they are soft and all there was to do is chew few times and swallow with a juice). After few minutes I felt the feeling back, tingling in my head, which came in "waves". I could feel a little tingling, and after a moment it came on more powerful and made me feel so awesome I could feel breathless. Even though it wasn't that much powerful at around 19:30, I still enjoyed the tingling, chatting and the huge interest in the conversation.
At around 22:00 I felt it come down. I felt some restlessness, tiredness of legs, but without that much mental drainage. It was comparable to coming home after a difficult day at work. I ate a sandwich with cheese, drank some milk and went to bed.
Slept like a baby after half an hour. Unlike Doves, which made me feel powerless, restless, drained, kicking legs and begging all night for a bit of sleep. When Doves stopped working, I couldn't find any place to sit, I felt uncomfortably everywhere and just wanted to get knocked out - someone somewhere called it very right: "engine revving" (the neurotoxic dopamine overactivity while the brain wants to sleep). It didn't occur with Jax, when it stopped working I just sat down, a bit tired, but still totally into conversation and capable of doing anything as needed. There was a feeling of higher dopamine activity even though the body is tired, but it was nothing near to Doves, because I have slept all night with no problem and woke up fairly rested, unlike Doves, which made me feel like dying all night and the day after.
Certificate of quality Toke+ had been approved.

My advice for ingestion: 3/4, and after an exact one hour, when the effects really start to come up, insufflate 1/4. This would result in a stronger peak, I presume. Or it could be insufflated after 1:30-1:40h after ingestion, when the peak stabilizes, to put it back up and prolong a bit. But I presume this dosage would be too small to put it back up, so it would rather prolong. Thus I prefer the first method with more powerful peak.

Or just eat one pill and get ready for being blown.

BATHE IN THE GLORY OF ITS LIGHT!


EDIT: Forgot to mention. Pupils normal, not overblown, but like being in a shadow. Other physical signs may include softer, smoother moves. :)

EDIT2, the last one:
The day after is very euphoric. I have a need to express my thoughts and I'm enjoying this day. All that is needed to function normally is a good breakfast, full of carbohydrates to provide quick energy, fat to provide long-term energy and proteins to rebuild neurotransmitters and body. One pill of multivitamin is helpful as well after eating food, to fulfill the lack of vitamins. I'm totally active, rather than dull and dying.

Again, this is a ticket to heaven.

I'm eager to answer any questions.

[Live4evr]

Good report, nice to know the comedown isn't bad. However, from your write up it seems like these are tame and not at all worth the money - can you elaborate on any euphoria felt? Was there music appreciation? Other than the comedown, how does the actual peak compare to Doves (Just as speedy/edgy? Level of euphoria and Music Appreciation? etc)

Cheers

[FriendlyToker]

The euphoria was much more pronounced than on Doves. It was a feeling of total righteousness in who I am and where I am. I was rather talking with friends and felt very "into it" - there was only music played from a mobile phone, but it didn't stop me from slowly dancing do it ;)
There was no jittery on the peak, it was very "soft", and it came in "waves". I liked it more than Doves, although it was just half a pill.

I did only half a pill. I am planning to do one pill this weekend or next week. Will report it as well.

[Live4evr]

It's only 10.30am here, and the mail doesnt arrive until around 2pm, but I'm expecting mine today or tomorrow

One last question - did it justify the high price (well, since it's ridiculously high, did it come close to justifying it?)

Yeah, I'm only gonna do a half on the first time too, and top up with the other half if I get greedy....that works well for the Doves for me

[FriendlyToker]

Love4evr, I suggest you try 3/4 of a pill. If you don't get enough effects, you can snort the 1/4 after some time. But it will be good. Very good. Half a pill is good, but not very good. ;)

[Pickled]

They sound good,what would you compare it to B1,M1,Mmcat or something else maybe.And you slept which is a good sign.:)can't wait to try these out.

[Mona Lisa]

Sounds really encouraging :D

Wonder if these might in fact contain MDAI which could explain their high cost. But at least they sound pretty good.:)

[shizerbeard]

Sounds really encouraging :D

Wonder if these might in fact contain MDAI which could explain their high cost. But at least they sound pretty good.:)

interesting thought there mona, very intersting. ;)

This report does sound encouraging, although i did read something on the other forum that wasnt so positive.

Still, id be interested to hear how more people get on with these.

[Mona Lisa]

interesting thought there mona, very intersting. ;)

This report does sound encouraging, although i did read something on the other forum that wasnt so positive.

Still, id be interested to hear how more people get on with these.

Too true. We'll just have to wait n' see:)

[Live4evr]

Yarg, mine still didn't come.

Suppose to arrive within 7-10 days, and tomorrow will mark day 9, so here's hoping.

[FriendlyToker]

I'm planning on doing another experience tomorrow. The lack of time inbetween rolling surely will cloud the overall experience and report, but will try it anyway.
3/4 swallowed, 1/4 insufflated as needed.

Will also receive 5HTP tomorrow. Will swallow 260mg with the pill and another 260 after the roll. Also will use 15mg of melatonin before sleeping.

[Live4evr]

What does 5HTP do when you drop it at the same time? I have a bottle full of 5HTP pills, bloody expensive things, mind.

Tomorrow would be ideal for me to drop, so I'm hoping my Jax arrive. Come mail man!

[FriendlyToker]

If you preload about 200mg of 5HTP an hour before popping a pill it should make the roll a bit more "plushy", and should ease up the comedown as well. Melatonin is an antioxidant and helps when there's not enough serotonin to be converted into it to produce sleep.

[xxdd]

If you preload about 200mg of 5HTP an hour before popping a pill it should make the roll a bit more "plushy".
I'm not an expert, but isn't there a danger that'll cause serotonin syndrome?

[Live4evr]

I'm not an expert, but isn't there a danger that'll cause serotonin syndrome?

Yeah, that's what I thought and that's why I asked....

[horna]

I tryed these pink babies last weekend in the local techno festival. I drank alcohol all the day so I have to say that my experiences with these pill are little fussy:p

So about 2 hours before the main stage DJs started to play I swalloved 1 pill. After 0.5-1 hour I didn't feel any effects (I have quite high tolerance and I was quit drunk too) so I desiced to take another pill. When we went to main stage I finally started to notice effects. First it was like my whole torso were pumped full of energy and then the tingling waves started to rush from my scalp to my lower back. I felt very euphoric and then BANG the main stage DJs started his set. I have to say that the bass beat felt like little orgasms. During the set the effects became even stonger and in one point I felt like I was floating in the air. I have to say that whole experience were euphoric but not speedy.

I know that this wasnt very good report, but like I pointed out earlier I was drunk so I dont recall the experience very well. Next time I try these sober. Here are some pros and cons:

+ The comedown isnt bad (I didnt even noticed it)
+ You can get sleep after these
+ The cotton mouth effect and the thirst isnt very bad (like with Diablo XXX etc.)
+ The pupil dialation isnt bad even with 2 pills (just checked some photos).
+ The music sounded so good.
+ Not too speedy

- The price
- You dont know the ingredients
- The duration of effects should be little longer.

So you can do the math. More pros than cons.

[FriendlyToker]

Yellow? They are pink.
I'm not going to do 3/4 today, I'm feeling opiate-withdrawal anxiety. Will wait till it dimnishes, if it does today - will eat, if not - won't touch. I have already eaten Doves on this set of mind. Horror for me.

[horna]

Yes I ment pink (maybe I have become colorblind:), the mistake is corrected. I have now ordered so many new pills that they all mix together. Too bad that I have only weekends left to try them.

This is little off topic, but you mentioned that Doves caused not so good feeling. I just ordered some Doves (haven't tested them yet) same place as JAX, so does them cause stronger comedown compered to JAX?

[FriendlyToker]

I couldn't get a second of sleep, felt really tired and restless all night and was just dying the next day. Always used some downers (codeine, as I don't have any benzos) and lots of smoke just to ease up the thoughts of being next day without sleep.

[Live4evr]

Mine just came. I'm going out to dinner with the family tonight, but then afterwards I'm gonna drop these bad boys. Can't wait to put on some Oasis - all 187 odd tunes and countless DVDs. Gonna be mega.

Mind you, they do smell like vanilla/meph -- dare I say that LU jumped on the bubbles bandwagon and decided to sell meph but at a ridiculously high price?

Anyone have anything to add to that theory?

[Mona Lisa]

I wouldn't be surprised if they're a mixture of methylone and mephedrone.

[Neo]

I wouldn't be surprised if they're a mixture of methylone and mephedrone.

Some how I doubt it.

[GOA]

Sounds really encouraging :D

Wonder if these might in fact contain MDAI which could explain their high cost. But at least they sound pretty good.:)

Interesting theory. I'll have to wait until I get my Jax sample before I can confirm that for you guys. Btw, MDAI has no dopaminergic activity, so if you're getting norepinephrine responses (a speedy high), then it's probably something else. Though most reports so far say the experience was not speedy...

It is also possible that besides MDAI, it could be either MDMAI or MMAI as well.

[FriendlyToker]

Yeah, I can say the Jax a bit... "lacks" the chattyness. I can't totally confirm as I only ingested half of pill, but I'll see about it yet.

[Mona Lisa]

Interesting theory. I'll have to wait until I get my Jax sample before I can confirm that for you guys. Btw, MDAI has no dopaminergic activity, so if you're getting norepinephrine responses (a speedy high), then it's probably something else. Though most reports so far say the experience was not speedy...

It is also possible that besides MDAI, it could be either MDMAI or MMAI as well.
This is what I was thinking, especially as they're not speedy or dopamine-like, according to reports. People are describing them in similar ways to how the MDAI has been described.

[FriendlyToker]

According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,6-Methylenedioxy-2-aminoindane )

"Because these compounds selectively release serotonin in the brain but have little effect on dopamine or noradrenaline levels, they can produce empathogenic effects but without any stimulant action, instead being somewhat sedating."

...somewhat sedating. That feeling of tingling and wanting to slow everything down because of euphoria...but the lack of "stimulantive" chattyness and energyness. It lacks it, but is great whatsoever. I still can't say really, because I have experience with only half a pill ingested.
I can not wait to eat one. I want to melt in Drum'n'Bass. ;)

[enduin]

MDMAI and MMAI are methylenedioxymethylaminoindane and methoxymethylaminoindane right? Are there people who tried them?

I found really few infos on aminoindanes, wiki doesn't help and bluelight has few MDAI reports... anyone got better links?

They sound really interesting tho!

[FriendlyToker]

Could you please show the links to bluelight aminodiane reports?

[GOA]

The entactogenic effects for Jax... are they quite intense? MDAI is especially reputable in that particular facet.

[horna]

Here is MDAI user report from Bluelight:


I have tried 80 mg of MDAI (i'm very sensitive to drugs)

It takes a little bit more than 1 hour to take effect.
The plateau didn't last so much, less than 3 hours but quite close to some others classics stims (4-MMC).
I didn't know what to expect and i get something very specific.
It reminds me the effect of ritalin ( methylphenidate): a clear awake feeling. It gave me a little but acceptable body buzz. Strangely wikipedia indicate a possible sedacting effect which i didn't get (indeed i took some coffee, but not so much).
Definitely less dysphoric than methylone and less euphoric than 4-MMC. Just clear state of mind which is good IMO.
Music and vision was crystal clear which was nice. Music makes me want to dance.
No bad come down, i only felt sleepy. Just some body buzzing which came back some time to time during the next 8 hours (this part was a little bit boring). During this come down, i had light colors shifting but nothing spectacular.

To summary:
I would say it's not spectacular, but not so bad. No bad come down, which is a good point. I like the clear state of mind. Since it's non neuro-toxic due to missing dopamine activity, i would have expect something who lacks of some effects, but that's not the case.

To compare with MDMA (not sure it's a good idea, but..): The clear state of mind feeling is quite close, but it miss the profound insightful state you get off MDMA which is main part of MDMA magic IMO.

I tried it only one time, so i think this conclusion could needs update after more experiments.

[enduin]

That report doesn't really fit with what MDAI is supposed to be, or am I missing something?
Still I think aminoindanes are under-researched...

[FriendlyToker]

I'm going to eat one pill tomorrow. I'll see about the effects. Got lots of drum and bass ready, I want it to eat me. I hope for it!
Let's solve this mystery once and for all!

[scudinvi]

I'm going to eat one pill tomorrow. I'll see about the effects. Got lots of drum and bass ready, I want it to eat me. I hope for it!
Let's solve this mystery once and for all!

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for your report...:)

[enduin]

I'm curious to see if that would make some difference in the effects other than of course make 'em stronger!

[Dr.Juice]

Seems like LU is back... with 20$ pills. I might break in and try it.