Thoughts on the year of 2012? [Archive] - Legal Highs Forum

Neo

03-05-2009, 10:25 AM

2012 is just another 4 years from now and based on the current state of the country, I don’t foresee any “golden age” in the future unless of course, if the current government loses miserably in the next general election and a more responsible government takes over. Will we then be able to see a politician who puts the interest of the people ahead of the interest of his political party? To think about it - it is not impossible.

Then again, there may be another way of us achieving the “golden age”.

In an entry at Wikipedia on the year 2012, it was stated that in a book titled “The Bible Code”, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth and again in another book titled “The Nostradamus Code” where there will be a series of natural disasters caused by a comet. In another book titled “The Orion Prophecy” it was claimed that the Earth’s magnetic field will reverse. Plenty of natural disasters may cause the death of many people and towns causing humans to rebuild their lives again? Yes, it is possible.

In the same entry in the Wikipedia, it was also mentioned that in 2012, aliens will contact humans. Probably akin to the event dramatized in the movie “Star Trek: The First Contact” (but in that movie, the “first” contact was made in year 2063). In the “Star Trek” world, the golden age indeed started after the first contact – humans became more interested in knowledge rather than on money.

The year 2012 seems interesting …

Gloombringer

03-05-2009, 10:26 AM

I think it's just gonna be another year, nothing special will happen.

hendrix1969

03-05-2009, 03:13 PM

The first thing you mentioned about the meteor hitting the earth in 2012 is a hoax. Some scam artist/cult leader came up with it and said there is a meteor called "planet x" that will collide with earth. Planet x is just the name of any planet outside our solar sytem so it is a pretty ambiguous name. Supposedly there is a big nasa cover up about the whole thing:rolleyes:. If you read up on it briefly you will realise it is all crap. The guy who came up with it also predicted the apocolipse in the year 2000 and 2004 I think. But he is certain he is right this time:D.

As for the Earth's magnetic field reversal. The claims that it will soon reverse is just due to the fact that it would appear that it changes failry periodically (every 500,000 years or so). This period is very vague. The last reversal was about 750,000 years ago so some say we are due one. There is no way to predict when it will be and no-one can say it will be the year 2012. It could be another 250,000 years for all we know. Besides even if there was a reversal there is a divide between what people think will happen. Some believe the reversal will happen instantly and the atmosphere will dissappear leaving us open to all the cosmic rays that would kill us instantly. Whereas, others say the reversal will be a slow proccess and the atmosphere will stay relatively stable and we will be fine.

Either way the chances of the end of the world happening on 2012 are very unlikely.

dayZd?

03-05-2009, 05:20 PM

Not the world ending so to speak, but the Mayans predicted that in 2012 the world will change as we know it.

My Dad is obsessed and really knows his stuff on this, The Mayan prophecies are pretty interesting.

p3anut

03-05-2009, 05:40 PM

(2012 reptillian) hydrogen collider is what the reptillains will blow the world up in year 2012:D

not to forget them chem trails
we could just escape the the inner earth

shit to much david icke and acid

Bali Muncher Jim

03-05-2009, 08:33 PM

Oo I thought this thread was about the Olympics lol

dave777

03-05-2009, 10:25 PM

General Anesthetic

03-05-2009, 11:43 PM

I've never really looked deeply into the 2012 thing, but terence mckenna reckons that is when we will time travel, or rediscover how time is a manmade thing.
Google timewave zero if interested.
It's on my to-do list.

Mckenna's timewave is interesting but I think it's been disproven. Although I did hear recently that some mathematicians have reworked it, I havn't looked into that though.

Re 2012, I saw this guy (Geoff Stray) on Edge Media Tv (channel 200 for the brits) and he, if anyone seems to be an authority on the matter. He's been researching 2012 for over 25yrs.
He says it's not just the mayans that have predicted a "shift" of sorts on that date, but many, vastly seperated cultures across the globe.

He doesn't say it's the end of the world though, more an awakening, an evolution in counsciousness....

Neo

03-06-2009, 12:05 AM

an evolution in counsciousness....

Yeah many people I have spoken to have suggested this as well ... I am a very optimistic person and I believe 2012 will bring a positive evolution in consciousness :)

General Anesthetic

03-06-2009, 12:19 AM

Yeah many people I have spoken to have suggested this as well ... I am a very optimistic person and I believe 2012 will bring a positive evolution in consciousness :)

I hope so too.

I feel it's a worrying trend though, that some feel they need to wait for 2012 for some spontaneous evolution of their mind, when they can be working on it right now;)

Gloombringer

03-06-2009, 12:47 AM

I think people just want to believe there is some method in all this madness. The sobering reality is 2012 will pass just like 2008 passed. It's just another year. Sorry to disappoint anyone.

General Anesthetic

03-06-2009, 12:59 AM

It doesn't have to be instantaneous, it could mark the beginning of a new cycle, the end of Kali Yuga?

Neo

03-06-2009, 01:02 AM

I hope so too.

I feel it's a worrying trend though, that some feel they need to wait for 2012 for some spontaneous evolution of their mind, when they can be working on it right now;)

I totally agree with that and I've been working on mine for the last few months with amazing results :cool:

It astounds me how a positive change in your thinking can change your life and the lives of others around you for the better.

The power of the mind is incredible and underestimated by most of the population I believe.

General Anesthetic

03-06-2009, 01:13 AM

Yeh definitely.

I think when used correctly, drugs can be a good resource as well, especially lsd.

There's so much potential with drugs, if used correctly, to help yourself evolve and learn.

Pandy

03-06-2009, 08:34 AM

just been reading thru this post and one thing stood out to be busted.

Polar shifts are known to occur every 750000 years or so (as I read)... but here's a thought for the people who believe such an event would cause the atmosphere to dissolve leaving us to be radiated... if this were true, we probably wouldn't be here to talk about it as our ancesters (Homo-erectus, Neanderthals) would have been annihilated... not to forget every other living organism.

dave777

03-07-2009, 01:47 PM

Yeh definitely.

I think when used correctly, drugs can be a good resource as well, especially lsd.

There's so much potential with drugs, if used correctly, to help yourself evolve and learn.

This, is the reason for the war on drugs.
It's a war on consciousness.

Respectful and proper use of mind-opening drugs, by the public, takes away an important weapon, from the controllers, that of ignorance.
Ignorance is their best weapon.

Rapid Rapid

03-07-2009, 06:24 PM

2012 will be spend grinding out of a 1/100 year depression.

Thats quite a bad enough outlook for me thanks. We really dont need comets or second comings to fuck things up for us, the powers that be are coping quite well on their own.

Dismember84

03-07-2009, 08:56 PM

I'm just taking all of the theories I've heard about 2012 with a grain of salt. All of the people will be disproved in 2012 if they are wrong and if something crazy actually happens with our consciousness then that will be pretty cool as well.

Mona Lisa

03-07-2009, 09:47 PM

I am optimistic that by 2012 we should be finally recovering from what will have been an extended recession. The banks will hopefully have sorted themselves out, etc. As for the shift in conciousness, I feel it's just an arbitrary number.

dave777

03-07-2009, 10:36 PM

I just heard today what michael tsarion says about the photon belt.

An atmospheric band of photons we are due to pass through in 2012.
Rather than let me ramble, anyone whos interested just have a google of 'michael tsarion' & 'photon belt'.

Interesting stuff

Pandy

03-07-2009, 11:16 PM

"You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion... Dogs do not ritually urinate in the hope of persuading heaven to do the same and send down rain. Asses do not bray a liturgy to cloudless skies. Nor do cats attempt, by abstinence from cat's meat, to wheedle the feline spirits into benevolence. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent enough." Aldous Huxley

How is it that no sooner as one 2000yr+ old fable been put to rest another takes its' place. While many of us deride the literal interpretation of the Bible, others pick up the literal interpretation of any other cultures collection of fables no questions asked. Just as has been done with the Bible so too has been done with this 2012 prophesy and all manner of evidence is being cited as proof that the prophesy is true. Soon enough I'll be named and shamed as a heretic. Really I'm just hanging out for the souvenirs - a piece of the stone that the prophesy was etched into - it could sit next to my piece of the True Cross that I also bought on ebay :)

dayZd?

03-07-2009, 11:56 PM

runnersanriders

03-11-2009, 01:02 PM

I saw program the other day about the 2012 enigma,I dint watch it all the way thru but only about 20 mins of it.
It was talking about how everything is connected,you can see it if you look really closely.Like everything has a pattern,like syamtry.
it also talked about crop circles and how a lot of them look like really intricate DNA mapping,how our DNA at the moment are double helix but the crop circles are tripple sometime quad helix.A lot of people will say that crop circles are people pissing about but some of them are massive and have been done in the space of an hour or so and would take an immense ammount of time to complete!Wt im getting at is that some of the crop circles point towards specific dates where something in regards to DNA is going to change in 2012,wt ever happens all im doing is keeping an open mind and a close eye.

Pandy

03-11-2009, 01:49 PM

when you say 'changes in our dna' do you mean an Melchizedek autosome change from 44+2 to 46+2? will this happen to all of us all at once, or will it be only newborns with the new dna?

runnersanriders

03-11-2009, 02:18 PM

lol mate you lost me there,I only watched about 20 mins of the video where he just skimmed the surface of what he would be going thru(he is hosting a seminar)
ill find the video for you to look thru...
http://truthworkers.ning.com/video/the-2012-enigma-by-david
what he was saying is atm our DNA consists of double helix's,but in 2012 there are signs all over our universe like milky ways,galaxys etc..where patterns and symatry exisit.these and crop circles point toward a change in DNA,from double helix's too tripple maybe quadruple helixs-basically a change in the way things are formed.as I said I only watched it briefly while I was at work but I picked up on where he was coming from,watch the first half an hour of the vid and you wil understand what I mean!!
sorry about the poor spelling,Im trying to work at the same time!

Pandy

03-11-2009, 02:40 PM

this guy Melchizedek (last name) has this theory that in 2012 us humans would enter/evolve into a new phase. Currently humans have 44+2 chromosomes and in 2012 with the conclusion of this mayan calendar it would evolve into 46+2 signifying a change in human consciousness... I knew being a Tool fan would pay off one day :o

but what you describe sounds completely different...

runnersanriders

03-11-2009, 03:25 PM

Dismember84

03-11-2009, 06:34 PM

I knew being a Tool fan would pay off one day :o

I know what you mean haha. After understanding the meaning of their lyrics they are very deep. Maynard is a genius. :D

dave777

03-11-2009, 08:09 PM

sorry i must have got mixed up,he talks about shapes like hexagons,pyramids and stuff and how these shapes are ever presant thru the galaxy and different organisms.he is saying i think that everything is linked in some way by a different shape,how all these shapes seem to collerate in some way,cant be just a coinsidence can it?

I'll try my best to relate, but this post took me right back to a light shroom trip I had with friends some years ago.
I didnt share the experience, but I found out how geometry plays a part in communication. Crystalline structures created by lines of connection between people and objects. There were hexagons, squares, rectangle, trapezium, all mathematical shapes I cant remember, as schools too far back in time, inequal sides shapes, but geometric forms, metaphorically communicating infinite material, most probably went over my head.
Don't ask me to expain, because although I know what I am banging on about, I cannot find a way of conveying it to ohers in words.
It was just one of those split second lesson/visual/metaphysical demos shrooms give you, that you cant share verbally.

I posted this in case someone relates, in an 'in between the lines' kind of way.
ps I don't know 'tool' but they keep popping up in the many different and varied bits and bobs I read online.

EDIT to add, I don't know what to make of 2012. I'm just starting to prick my ears up and hear the likes of michael tsarion, and his lunar etheric barrier, terence and his timewave zero/timetravel theory/and maxwell jordan.
Maybe either I am verbally illieterate, or our consciousness is expanding to things we wouldnt normally think about.
Just to add, its ages since I shroomed, I want to put my addictions to other crap further behind me I think, then maybe more natural trips, to gather more insights.

Pandy

03-11-2009, 10:35 PM

I know what you mean haha. After understanding the meaning of their lyrics they are very deep. Maynard is a genius. :D

Without a doubt :D how he does it, who knows. But it's damn good.
Love how he threads through so many Jungian concepts as well.

kennyken747

03-11-2009, 11:41 PM

Heh, if what you say about the remaining survivors from the apocalypse having to rebuild from the ground up actually happens, then that sounds freakin awesome man! Imagine being one of the pioneers of the "New World." I mean, if I survived of course. ;)

General Anesthetic

03-12-2009, 02:07 AM

Without a doubt :D how he does it, who knows. But it's damn good.

Tool are Ceremonial Magicians;)

Love how he threads through so many Jungian concepts as well.

Jung also knows what he's talking about.

Tool do infact fucking have it.

Sorry to take this abit off topic but here's a couple of cool tool (:rolleyes:) links!

A book some dude has written about some of the meanings and mathematics involved in Tool's composure..

http://www.vanillacircus.net/book/tool_book.pdf

And the tool FAQ

http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html

And a quote from the above which somewhat drags my pissed up post back on topic...

this theory is espoused by Drunvalo Melchizadek, and while it has to do with chromosomes;

"There are three totally different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways, interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this.
Then, there is our level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a steppingstone from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2...These two additional chromosomes change everything."

also regarding 46+2 but dealing with sacred geometry, from the TOOL FAQ:

"According to Melchezedek, our planet is covered with geometrically constructed 'morpho genetic grids'. These grids extend from about 60 feet under the Earth's surface to about 60 miles above the Earth, arranged in geometric patterns (see 'Sacred Geometry'). Each species has its own grid, which supports life, and connects the consciousness of its particular species. Before any species can come into existance or make an evolutionary step, a new grid must be completed. When a species becomes extinct, that particular species' grid disolves.

A new grid was completed in 1989 - the 'christ-consciousness' grid. This grid will allow humans to evolve into our next version. We'll develop two additional chromosomes (which are really 'geometrical images' designed to resonate with our specific grid) for a total or 46 + 2.

The main change will be a shift to the "unity consciousness". Every cell in your body has its own consciousness and memory. You, the higher being that occupies your body, make the millions of different consciousnesses in your body work together as one being. How does this relate to this grid? Think of yourself as a cell and the grid as the higher being. We will still have individual consciousness, but will be united in the form of a higher being in order to work as one entity."

One more thing, a book that Maynard recommended back in '94, Nothing in This Book is True, but It's Exactly How Things Are, by Bob Frissell, plays an important role in their work.

P-Dub

03-12-2009, 07:55 AM

From what I have read, there really isn't any direct evidence left by the Mayans as to why their calendar stopped so everything is kinda just speculation except that there will be some sort of unique cosmic event on the 2012 winter solstice. I don't remember exactly what it is.

I think its weird that there has been so much association with the Western/Christian idea and obsession with a judgement day/end of time/apocalypse type scenario. Many of the remaining South American indegineous tribes have similar idea that the world will shift right around 2012, but the shift they describe is usually like the next step in human evolution. I guess people would have a better understanding of how to connect to one another better and how to connect with the world and its energies.
Pretty much the transformation being described in "46 &2".

I mean if your gonna make prophesies why not make them positive?

Pandy

03-12-2009, 09:28 AM

P-dub I think you're on to something there... your observation of the Western/Christian idea and obsession with a judgement day/end of time/apocalypse type scenario.

I find it interesting that out of hundreds of differing religions or belief systems, that the West - traditionally Christian and therefore holding the concept of judgement day/end of time/apocalypse - has so warmly entertained this Mayan prophesy, which promises a similar fate.

My suggestion here is that while the West has in some ways abandoned the traditional christian view, centuries of conditioning have prepared us for an easy adoption of the familiar, though different enough to be seen as attractive. Is the Mayan end-time view a reframed Christian end-time view, or vice versa?
In fact would I be wrong in saying that this 'end-time' motif presents itself throughout various world cultures? what makes the Mayan one the right one?
And why isn't the East sharing in this Mayan gig? maybe it's worth stopping here to consider the eastern religions and their approach to end-time, buddhism has no end-time, Hinduism does but it's not anytime soon another couple of thousand years or so. What about African religions?

This is part of the argument I employ occasionally on a few biblebashers I know, which is, "out of hundreds of differing religions how do you know the one you have chosen is the right one?" the same applies here...

out of hundreds of differing end-time scenarios how do you know the one you have chosen is the right one?

What confuses this even further is that each and every group produces it's own self fulfilling evidence, in fact it doesn't seem to matter one bit how legitimate or how crazy the groups claim is - they have evidence and it always conclusive.

One thing is common in all claims of the supernatural, they never eventuate. they are postponed, delayed because there were too many non-believers, they had miscalculated the date... oh the list goes on.

I'm waiting in anticipation for 2012 to roll on by... and any change I suspect will be in part due to 1) the current economic climate we are now experiencing, how are those western european banks holding up? not too worried that their eastern european loans will default?
and 2) the global response to climate change.
SO while there will undoubtedly be change... I for one will not be rushing to conclude that it is the work of some ancient Mayan prophesy, when it could actually be the work of some ancient Hebrew prophesy :)

runnersanriders

03-12-2009, 10:27 AM

Obvioulsy it could just be pure coincedence that in 2012 something drastic might happen/change because there has been so many different prophecies all saying differnet years/time/events so one is bound to come true.
But with the current climate how it is(world is going to shit)2012 looks like a good bet that things will go really tits up,maybe then and only then people will realise when everything is gone that we had the chance to change who we are and how we think of and treat other people.

General Anesthetic

03-12-2009, 02:12 PM

Hinduism does but it's not anytime soon another couple of thousand years or so.

There's some debate about that...

http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/goldenage.htm

http://www.adishakti.org/mayan_end_times_12-21-2012/shri_mataji%27s_horoscope_the_tribulation_and_saty a_yuga.htm

Also, in one of Geoff Stray's books he cites a fair number of different cultures predicting the end of a cycle around 2012.

AtomicBambinoid

03-12-2009, 03:13 PM

"it's worth stopping here to consider the eastern religions and their approach to end-time, buddhism has no end-time, Hinduism does but it's not anytime soon another couple of thousand years or so"

That is true its like 400,000 years or something until the night of brahma when there is a devastation, but Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of krishna did say that a golden age is coming/has begun and it will engulf the world for the next 10,000 years, so that does seem very similar to the mayan prophecy of a new evolved state of consciousness, chaitanya mahaprabhu was talking about a spiritual revolution! Also didnt the native americans have prophecies about this era? does anyone know?

AtomicBambinoid

03-12-2009, 03:14 PM

Sry just saw the opther post about the prediciton of the golden age.

Pandy

03-12-2009, 09:34 PM

Please, no more horoscopes... the doctor who delivered you had more gravitational influence on you at the time of your birth than any distant planet, star or arbitrary grouping of stars.

General Anesthetic

03-13-2009, 01:53 AM

Please, no more horoscopes... the doctor who delivered you had more gravitational influence on you at the time of your birth than any distant planet, star or arbitrary grouping of stars.

I'm not personally convinced with astrology either, it was just a reference to show there are some who believe the Hindu new age coincides with the Mayan.

AtomicBambinoid

03-14-2009, 02:08 AM

Also it has nothing to do with astrology as such because in hindu scriptures it is a direct statement from god himself, but actually the advent of lord Chaitanya was predicted using astrology aslo, just to know as an interesting occurance.

Pandy

03-14-2009, 03:01 AM

From the very little time I've spent looking into the Mayan thing... it just crossed my mind that the conclusion of the Mayan calendar, as the conclusion of any other ancient calendar is just that.

Many ancient civilizations were masters of (basic) astronomy and (calendars) keeping time, mostly for following the seasons (as agriculture was all important) and for marking solstices, equinoxes, special events/rituals etc.

How is it that civilizations that had no contact with one another create similar calendars? well just maybe because they were all measuring the same things... the sun, the moon, the visible planets and the stars. In fact it would be strange if separate civilizations did have any major differences in their calendars. (with the exception of hemispheric realities of what stars can be seen, and the inverted equinoxes etc) On the whole the similarities between different civilizations calendars could been seen as uncanny - and for some it is.

Anyways is it just possible that each civilization reached the same end to their respective calendars... a horizon of their technological abilities to calculate time? what then? how would the ancients explain this?

just a thought..

Pandy

03-14-2009, 11:46 AM

http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

check out the "science" section - 2.3.2 Science and 2012 and 2.4 Possible threats

It's enough to make me wish I'd never read Thomas Paine's Age Of Reason or Freud's Moses and Monotheism, among others... I want my christianity back... that, or have my healthy level of skepticism suspended indefinitely.

zeuzz

03-15-2009, 08:47 PM

Thoughts on the year 2012?

Well.

Its the year that comes after 2011, and before 2013.

SHIT! :eek: I just realised that my calendar seems to end on new years day this year. WTF will happen when this runs out? We're all srewed!

.....or maybe they'll just bring out the calendar for 2010 and time will continue as always. Who knows. :)

Seriously though, 2012 is just a date that people have worked themselves up about. It was exactly the same with the year 2000, the whole bloody world was going to end, the computers crash, systems malfunction, everyone die, Y2K hype. All that happened I heard was that a guy called Dave in Scotland lost his business data due a softwear crash.

Its all bollocks. Theres no credible evidence to suggest anything apart from mass conspiracy theory based paranoia.

Mona Lisa

03-15-2009, 11:51 PM

I believe we will have been through the worst recession since the 1930s; the stockmarket and real estate will just then be beginning to recover. Those of you who were able to steadily drip-feed into investment/unit trusts and/or real estate funds should be sitting on a cute little profit by then, especially with dividends reinvested.;)

Pandy

03-16-2009, 12:10 AM

zeuzz I like your style :)

I'm already working up a panic due to the fact that my appointments diary runs out this december. yikes! :rolleyes:

P-Dub

03-16-2009, 03:05 AM

I do hold a very skeptical eye towards astrology, but whenever ever I go backpacking I am reliant on the positions of sun, moon, solar bodies to know what time it is and where I am going. It fascinates me! I can get very deep into thinking about the cycles we can see and how in the society I am a part of we will never truly know the importance of those cycles that our ancestors relied on and how our evolution has been influenced by our ancestors deciphering those cycles.

Pandy

03-16-2009, 03:24 AM

I agree that understanding the position of the sun and moon are important for basic agriculture and maybe a few visible planets and particularly bright stars that can aid in tending to crops...

However P-Dub you haven't gone to the extraordinary lengths of arbitrarily grouping stars, connecting random stars to make patterns, giving them names and attributing them personalities... and then superstitiously saying "can't travel to Brasil this week because saturn and venus are in the wrong part of the sky..."
All the values ascribed to those groupings of stars are completely arbitrary... I am no more a Gemini than a Cancer... though I do enjoy reading the horoscopes in the paper just to see how wrong they are about me 9/10 they are, on the occasion they are correct - but only from being so generalised.

P-Dub

03-17-2009, 12:10 AM

I agree.

I guess my point was/is that like most religions or ways of trying to understand our world, it started out as something legitimate and adherent to common sense but has spiraled into a completely different beast of some sort.

Pandy

03-17-2009, 12:59 AM

spock

03-24-2009, 08:57 AM

Mckenna's timewave is interesting but I think it's been disproven. Although I did hear recently that some mathematicians have reworked it, I havn't looked into that though.

Re 2012, I saw this guy (Geoff Stray) on Edge Media Tv (channel 200 for the brits) and he, if anyone seems to be an authority on the matter. He's been researching 2012 for over 25yrs.
He says it's not just the mayans that have predicted a "shift" of sorts on that date, but many, vastly seperated cultures across the globe.

He doesn't say it's the end of the world though, more an awakening, an evolution in counsciousness....
Maybe we make contact, lets face it its been going on a long time, most people seem comfortable now with the idea that they have been visiting earth for thousands of years, there is so much photographic proof now....I see it coming ...:)

bammyjastard

07-21-2009, 10:16 PM

wow I think this thread has to be the most engrossing one I've read on the forum so far. I have no input to add really, other than to say that by 2012, I really fuckin hope Michael Jackson will be off the front pages of our daily newspapers:p

GOA

07-22-2009, 12:37 AM

I think one of two things. Apocalypes or consciousness-expansion (everyone's third-eye opens).

scudinvi

07-22-2009, 05:36 AM

I'll tell you what will happen... NOT A DAMN THING!!!:D
2012 will come and go.

Pandy

07-22-2009, 06:09 AM

I had some christian denomination at my door yesterday jumping on the 2012 bandwagon as well... couldn't believe it when they said we were coming to an end of an age and it wasn't it time that we instilled a christian government to see us though and to end the wars around the globe...

little did they know that I had only just finished reading A Religious Atheist: Critical essays on the work of Lloyd Geering and Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason... i was primed to destroy all and every point they raised. silly christians, they should've heard me after opening the door, when I said politely, no thanks I'm really not that interested.

scudinvi

07-22-2009, 04:16 PM

Hate to say it out-right but Christians rely on scare tactics to get people to
join their denomination. I'm sure they mean well, but they should go about it
another way imo.

dave777

07-23-2009, 08:17 PM

did terence mckenna reckon that light speed travel will be possible then.

GOA

07-24-2009, 01:53 AM

I think it was time travel.

did terence mckenna reckon that light speed travel will be possible then.

shizerbeard

07-24-2009, 11:05 AM

august 28th 2012

we all fall over and die in the biggest coincedance the world has ever seen

we then melt into cheese upon decompiosition

GOA

07-25-2009, 02:02 AM

Haha... reminds me of some manga series I saw awhile ago, Neon Genesis Evangelion... End of Evangelion I think.

august 28th 2012

we all fall over and die in the biggest coincedance the world has ever seen

we then melt into cheese upon decompiosition

ashesofman

07-25-2009, 10:04 PM

when approaching the speed of light, time slows. when you increase your speed in space, you decrease your speed through time. it is speculated that you would crawl to a halt when finally achieving light speed. A commonly accepted physical law is that nothing can exceed the speed of light. relatively speaking, time travel is theoretically possible by traveling many, many times the speed of light. to travel twice the speed of light, would be to travel backwards in time in the manner that time flows forward... a day for a day, a month for a month.

you would have to hypothetically travel many many times the speed of light to travel backwards through time at any useful rate and you would require infinite fuel and the capability to survive such acceleration.

it's interesting in theory, at least.

wildguy6969

07-26-2009, 03:53 AM

cyborgs ......... death ........ deformed trannys ........ mutated pig dogs :D

this is our future !:eek:

wildguy6969

07-27-2009, 03:58 AM

iam hoping to see lots of new AMSTERDAM'S popping up with talking robots that fight crime @!!&%^i would kill me some robots ... or more pretty hookers!:D

wildguy6969

07-27-2009, 04:00 AM

sleepy

07-27-2009, 08:52 PM

2012 = the year after 2011.

I may have said this before, but I think it bears repeating.

Many times.

zippy

07-28-2009, 10:56 AM

If time travel were possible why isnt there people from the future here telling us how to do it. time doesnt really exist anyway and the whole worlds just an illusion. Like Bill Hicks said were all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively. I am tripping :eek:

ashesofman

07-29-2009, 01:10 AM

Is this what everyone is talking about? :

http://www.surviving-nibiru.com/

scudinvi

07-29-2009, 03:08 AM

http://www.surviving-nibiru.com/

What a bunch of kaka...:eek::D

bammyjastard

07-29-2009, 12:24 PM

well well well, a very elaborate publicity drive for a movie called seeking closure :p

SecretAgent79

08-08-2009, 11:24 AM

I dont even think about tomorrow let alone 2012, y wot is supose to happen in 2021? olympics?! the queen has yet another birthday, u noticed she has about 5 a year! greedy moo she will out live all of us!
We all die from swine flu in 2012?! Sumthing tony brown made up too scare us all, just a thought!:eek:

SecretAgent79

08-08-2009, 12:05 PM

Just read the thread, i must of been asleep or to droned up these past few yrs coz this is the first ive head of 2012 yr rumours and how we are all, basically doomed from then on!
I don't take to much notice when it comes to issues such as this,take the yr 2000, everyone runnin round in panic, fighting ova loafs of bread and bottled water in morrisons coz they belived all the hype the world would just stop.
I wouldnt mind meeting an alien, but i very much doubt i eva will. And these disasters that r supposed to happen of which many will die is more than likely a new "plan of action" by the guverment to get rid of a few of us 2 save em money an re coop tony browns ova spendin.
Guess we ave to wait an see but i bet u obsolutly nothing will happen apart from council tax will go up along with petrol staions profit margins an supamarkets coz all of the granny will be fighting ova loafs a bread, bottled water and outdoor food storage cupboards.
And we will all be another yr older, still waitin for posti to arrive wiff our special deliverys of plant feeder! :D

GOA

08-13-2009, 02:38 AM

I'm taking all this not too seriously, but am preparing myself mentally for the worst. It's not all just conspiracy. There is a lot of fact and history to back this theory up, and it's the last of the series of prophecies from Nostradamus. And there's even a movie coming out this November to really get some attention on this stuff. Heheh, check it out...

2012 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU&fmt=6)

Google up: "Planet X" or "Nibiru"

and "Nutricide" or "Codex Alimentarius" for some interesting info on food standards set for the near future.

On another note, apocalypes isn't what is interpreted by the Mayans. Though the calender ends on 2012, it marks the beginning of a new age, and a promise of much potential. My personal theory is that we will gain a higher consciousness around 2012 through world events, or evolution, and naturally gain another "sense" which will be utilized as telepathy. I've noticed that there have been way too many coincidences recently, including conversations with others, intense feelings of deja-vu or nostalgia, premonitions, stuff of that sort. And many of the people I've brought this up with tend to agree wholeheartedly in regards to their personal lives.

Pandy

08-13-2009, 05:00 AM

seriously though, we can't simply stack up the information that lends itself to the 2012 phenomena and say "here is the evidence that shows it is true".

people do this with religion all the time. bending whatever data there is to fit the desired outcome.

one thing that could possibly be occurring is something that is all too human...

looking for something that connects us all. maybe at one point it was ethnic or racially based religions like judaism or hinduism, then came more broader cross-cultural religions like christianity, islam and buddhism... whats the next step? a religion/way of living which accepts all that has gone before and respects all diversity but focuses the practice of the religion is awareness and worship of this earth, a return to earth-mother after thousands of years of sky-father worship.

qwewew

08-13-2009, 11:38 AM

whats the next step? a religion/way of living which accepts all that has gone before and respects all diversity but focuses the practice of the religion is awareness and worship of this earth, a return to earth-mother after thousands of years of sky-father worship.

I've just been re-reading Sagan's 'Pale Blue Dot' - in it he discusses a religion that may emerge that does not try to refute the new discoveries of science and the progress of technology (like many current religions) but embraces them, and incorporates the glory and majaesty of a Creator/God-like figure with the profound sense of awe one can experience when looking at our place in the universe.

Anyway I don't think anything particularly significant is going to happen come 2012 - we're way off a 'evolution of counsiousness'. I could see it happening (in a sense) at some point in our collective future, but not before a MAJOR revamp in education systems and how we teach our kids(young brains).

Alien contact would be nice, but any species able to communicate directly with us is likely to be far more technologically advanced. The only reasons I could think why they'd make the effort is if they were particularly desperate and destitute and somehow needed our help, or if they were feeling particularly generous and wanted to save our planet from some unknown threat.

Huh, didn't mean to write quite that much...

Pandy

08-13-2009, 09:24 PM

I have a great respect for Carl Sagan, have yet to read 'PBD' but have seen the Cosmos series a number of times and finished reading 'The Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark'...

of 2012 I would expect him to say something along the lines of how unfortunate and disturbing that "pseudo-science" has taken such a firm hold of us, that so many of us would fore go reputable science for the science that fits our irrational needs. As if it is pure science that is in constant struggle with that persistent human expectation and reliance on something greater to save us or to deliver us from ourselves.

As another great thinker said "All gods are homemade, and it is we who pulls their strings, and so, give them the power to pull ours" A. Huxley.

I think if we do not restrict the word "gods" to the classical sense, but allow in a broader sense that we make "gods" of things all the time - unquestionable, untouchable and we employ contemporary psychological techniques to protect them.

VALIS

08-31-2009, 02:19 AM

Richard Dawkins also talks of a reverence for the universe but is the world's foremost militant atheist (see The God Delusion).

As another great thinker said "All gods are homemade, and it is we who pulls their strings, and so, give them the power to pull ours" A. Huxley.

Great Huxley quote. Which book was it from?

I can't take 2012 seriously either (one of it's proponents is Daniel Pinchbeck, enough said). On a a lighter note, Gong's new album will be called 2032. Well, it won't happen by 2012! I fully expect to see green elves visiting earth in flying teapots in 2032.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8ZESzpL3M

zeuzz

09-02-2009, 08:19 PM

So what exactly is gonna happen in 2012? Anyone actually worked it out yet?

VALIS

09-03-2009, 03:51 AM

McKenna's Novelty Theory is not a mainstream contender in the scientific arena. McKenna's Theory points to a date in the near future where anything and everything conceivable by the human imagination will happen simultaneously. "Something like a psychedelic mushroom trip". This is the Omega Point and according to his calculations these events will occur about the same time has the final date of the Mayan Calendar which is during the Winter Solstice of 2012. In McKenna's vision UFO's, time travel, new conscience, AI (artificial intelligence) all play a role in the final manifestation that lead to a new universe

That is summary of Terence McKenna's theory.....

http://2012-predictions-review.blogspot.com/2008/01/time-wave-zero-terence-mckenna.html

zeuzz

09-03-2009, 11:06 PM

hmmm, pretty far out shit.

I still call bollocks, though I respect Mckenna.

VALIS

09-04-2009, 01:07 AM

I agree with you. I remember Sasha Shulgin talking about how he disagreed with McKenna about natural vs, synthetic drugs, but still referred to him affectionately.

holdout

09-04-2009, 11:40 PM

lol you're a fool if u say it aint true.... well not a fool-- just undereducated....

there are 4938509348509348590 different theories/predictions/studies/visions/whatever, even highly credible ones, that all point to 2012.......

the more you read and read and read and learn and learn and find out and find out, the more the big picture will be clear to you, and the more you will notice how some effects have already begun....

Pandy

09-05-2009, 12:09 AM

...sounds like the logical conclusion of Cultural Tracking and confirmation bias.

where are the "highly credible" predictions btw? there are none. just crackpots.
how is that Nasa and serious astronomers AREN'T concerned about the return of some non-existant planet.

of course the more one reads the more one sees. but this doesn't make it true. how many times have we heard that God's word (the bible) makes more sense and becomes more real the more one reads it.

if all one reads is the bible then how much of the bible becomes truth for the reader if that is all that they are reading. how many parallels will they be drawing from the bible into real life and using that instant to conclude "it must be true!"

if one chooses to surround themselves in only the information that confirms their belief and nothing else... what can we expect to hear from such a person?

VALIS

09-05-2009, 05:42 AM

In 2012, we will see :eek:

Pandy

09-05-2009, 01:37 PM

OK here is a movie NOT to watch. Saw it my local video store and thought why not see what hollywood makes of this 2012 gig...

titled "2012: Doomsday"

the back cover states "a modern christian epic..." one mistake that I didn't fully realise until I got the rental home. So into the player it goes...

Previews! great start! previews of other World Ending movies made by the same production company. This movie is set up to be utter crap.

Within the first five minutes the scene is a mayan excavation which uncovers a sacred room adorned with a gold christian cruxifix replete with the hung jesus... evidence that christians visited the americas long before columbus... carbon dating puts the artifact at 360AD...

Short version of the story.

Christians have completely hijacked the Mayan prophesy and draws on countless christian motifs to fill out the terrible plot line, end of days etc even an immaculate conception to tie things off.

I had to watch the whole 120mins for humors sake. but guys and girls this is one 2012 movie to avoid. It has no information about 2012 at all, it is however full of christian scripture that show that the end-times were upon them. the pathetic scientists could do nothing "as everything is off the charts, we've never seen weather patterns or geological activity like this before". throughout the movie several paired characters discuss "science vs God" naturally God wins, and no mayan God, no it is a christian God.

This movie is christian propaganda without doubt. who else would choose to rewrite history so that a pre-columbus christian narrative could to woven into the culture of the Mayans, and south american indians as a whole.

GOA

09-10-2009, 01:17 AM

That's hilarious.

If anyone has been following recent commercials, the "IHC" has been openly advertising warnings and advisories on television and the internet for the upcoming apocalypes. When the commercial aired one night on a well-know television station, I began laughing hysterically. I immediately looked the IHC up and soon concluded that the whole thing is a hoax in order to employ viral marketing techniques for the new 2012 movie, from your pals at Sony/Universal Pictures. There's even a lottery for people to win entry to an underground shelter, which of course requires personal information. This is all just a big scam for Sony to make big bucks. My advise is to spit in Sony's face by not attending the movie in theatres and just d/l a ripped copy from the internet.

crazyfox

11-21-2009, 11:03 PM

Hopefully 2012 will be the sun enter into its 6th phase and humanity will start to evolve and transend... but the Mayans and the Cherokee, prob just got bored with creating these calculations, and it will be a normal sunday, new years day with a massive hangover.

Hoping for the best and I very much doubt it will be doomsday... I liked Terence McKenna theory of time travel I heard in an interview though I havent looked much into it.

Loads of info of the dawn of the new age here... plus donate and we all get a great Documentory/movie to watch:

Time of The Sixth Sun.com (http://www.timeofthesixthsun.com)

legal si

11-22-2009, 04:07 AM

I have a strange feeling that metal has something to do with the big change that may or may not happen in 2012,I cant explain the feeling.

maybe self replicating Nano-Bots will escape and just replicate and replicate,taking over the whole Earth forming a moving grey metal sludge which will eventually trip us over in the street and then they will climb into your ears and the gather brain matter to help them think better,then they will make bigger versions of themselves using car bodies and poles and the basically take over the whole earth! ....shit Im packing me suitcase.....think I might live on a boat somewhere:eek:

legal si

02-25-2010, 10:32 AM

Oh damn! just thought the nano bots could also make little boats,then they will catch up with me like a spreading virus across the sea.......then kill us all!

Thats food for thought!

SanchesMTX

11-01-2010, 08:07 PM

Mckenna's timewave is interesting but I think it's been disproven. Although I did hear recently that some mathematicians have reworked it, I havn't looked into that though.

Re 2012, I saw this guy (Geoff Stray) on Edge Media Tv (channel 200 for the brits) and he, if anyone seems to be an authority on the matter. He's been researching 2012 for over 25yrs.
He says it's not just the mayans that have predicted a "shift" of sorts on that date, but many, vastly seperated cultures across the globe.

He doesn't say it's the end of the world though, more an awakening, an evolution in counsciousness....
Hey evreybody :)
I think when it will come closer, the magnetic field of that planet and of ours would be so high, that it will start some sorta thing as Multiplication: Who have Light will rise light. Who have Evil will rise evil. So its like Multiplication of own skills. Light ppl will become more lighter and Evil will become more evil :D