Modafinil

[ashxcore]

I'm thinking about buying some to use as a functional stim for uni.
I've bought sida cordifolia and it has some use, but isn't as effective as I would have liked.
I can't be arsed chewing coca leaves like a koala, either.

So all things considered, what do you all say? Yay or nay?

[Gloombringer]

I heard the US AirForce was giving these to Pilots to sharpen their attention and focus and enhance their reaction speed especially over long long missions where fatigue can come into play. I think airsealed sells pure powder modafinil or am i mistaken?

[excee]

it's good for suppresing the need for sleep and is also good for you memory a good mood lift 400 mg a day will make you a bit happyer but some get a bad headache of it

[breakfastclub]

yay. but dont use it all the time. nicotine "Improves working memory and learning"(wiki)) and is also a stim. so maybe chew some nicotine gum. on its own apart from the addictiveness its not that bad for you.

check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic

[tNick]

do you have a proper modafinil/provigil source? all i could find was modalert and i think some places had modapro (or whatever that pro thing was:P)

[cupid]

I reccomend it. I alternate between this one day and PEA the next....i can work for hours on it, not feel tired and have no appetite either.....nowt worse when your half way through something important and your stomachs rumbling. You wont have this problem on this ;)

[ashxcore]

do you have a proper modafinil/provigil source? all i could find was modalert and i think some places had modapro (or whatever that pro thing was:P)I have only one and am in need of others.


have no appetiteGood to know! Thanks. :D


I heard the US AirForce was giving these to Pilots to sharpen their attention and focus and enhance their reaction speed especially over long long missions where fatigue can come into play. I think airsealed sells pure powder modafinil or am i mistaken?
I think you are. All I saw was Modapro. Very cheap, but not worth the risk. So many reports of it being pretty much ineffectual.

[Bali Muncher Jim]

There was a tv programme last week here in UK where a guy was studying sleep etc, he took some of this stuff, he liked it and it did the job but he had to stop because he was developing a bad rash all over his body.

[madasslass]

it's good for suppresing the need for sleep and is also good for you memory a good mood lift 400 mg a day will make you a bit happyer but some get a bad headache of it

Yeah, these gave me a bad headache too. I found I didn't need as much as 400mg a day - 100mg in the morning and 100mg early afternoon was about right for me. They are good for those times when you have to stay awake to get work done, etc. My instinct told me not to make too much of a habit of it, don't know how these would affect you after long periods of daily use. I reckon these might be ideal for long distance lorry drivers when they are driving through the night. Might make the roads a bit safer.

[ashxcore]

I read that it hasn't been proven that 400mg is any more effective than 200mg.

[excee]

i started with 200mg in the morning and 200mg mid day for a week had a break for 2 weeks and then when to just 400mg in the morning this worked well for me

[TITO 78]

I'm thinking about getting some, but I've read a lot of negative opinions on it. still worth a box for a try eh?

[ashxcore]

You have? Was this the Modalert version?

[TITO 78]

No idea, it's something low down on my shopping list so I haven't done the research yet, Iwas just gonna get a box in with a order of a bunch of other stuff while I was at it.

[Lowdose]

I prefer a more subtle use for Modafinil, I mean just about 50 mg by morning. It improves your mental shape and capacity.

Also, if you add some Pregabalin (for me just 150 mg) you will notice a big punch!, I experience a euphoric kind of mental rush, very talkative, some great ideas also, but not sure if you want it for study or concentration issues, It may be more for social events, or for a meeting/ conference time.

I support Madasslass words, about avoiding daily use and for long distance drivers, I have personaly use it, in all day driving periods and it was great, I dont get tired, and very enthusiastic for about 8 hours.

[ashxcore]

I have yet to get my hands on this stuff. Gloombringer is right, there is a place to get the powder for this stuff. I could cap it myself.

[shatteredparadigm]

I believe that it's been approved in Europe for ADD/ADHD. At very least I know that in the states it's prescribed "off label" as an adult treatment. My recommendation is getting diagnosed with ADD (not all that hard) and say that you are worried about the addictive nature of ritalin/adderall. They will probably try to put you on strattera which case you can claim to have had negative reactions to SNRIs (Lexapro or Effexor).

You can get pretty much any medication if you really know what you're talking about and speak on the doctor's level. Plus, you always have the right to change doctors.

[zeuzz]

I found that 100mg twice a day did the job for me, needed about an hour less sleep most nights and seemed to keep me more alert in day. I dont like overdoing dosages since by bodies taken a lot over the years :) 400mg seems like quite a high dose, you would probably get large effects from it sure, but if used daily that could get addictive. No expert here, only tried it for a week.

[ashxcore]

I have yet to get my hands on this stuff. Gloombringer is right, there is a place to get the powder for this stuff. I could cap it myself.I wonder, though, if it is Modafinil powder or Modalert powder. :confused:


I believe that it's been approved in Europe for ADD/ADHD. At very least I know that in the states it's prescribed "off label" as an adult treatment. My recommendation is getting diagnosed with ADD (not all that hard) and say that you are worried about the addictive nature of ritalin/adderall. They will probably try to put you on strattera which case you can claim to have had negative reactions to SNRIs (Lexapro or Effexor).

You can get pretty much any medication if you really know what you're talking about and speak on the doctor's level. Plus, you always have the right to change doctors.Hmmmm... ;)

[shatteredparadigm]

Hmmmm... ;)

You should try it. Worse case scenario you end up with a bad script that you just toss. Doctor visits at university clinics are usually free or very very cheap. So much easier having a legal prescription, plus cheaper too.

[ashxcore]

I think I will. :D

[TITO 78]

How does it compare to Ritalin, Dexedrine and Adderall, being that all those are fairly strictly controlled is it a good enought replacement or is it very inferior?

[TITO 78]

do you have a proper modafinil/provigil source? all i could find was modalert and i think some places had modapro (or whatever that pro thing was:P)

Is there a difference? Arent they just different names for the same drug?

[ashxcore]

Is there a difference? Arent they just different names for the same drug?No. Modalert and Modapro are purportedly shite (Modalert especially).
Provigil/Modafinil = good stuff

[TITO 78]

No. Modalert and Modapro are purportedly shite (Modalert especially).
Provigil/Modafinil = good stuff

Well according to an online pharmacy I'm looking at Modalert is just a brand name of Modafinil made in India. :confused:

[GoatFarmersInternational]

Well according to an online pharmacy I'm looking at Modalert is just a brand name of Modafinil made in India. :confused:

It is just a brand name of modafinil, and supposedly they're the same thing... Except that it seems like loads of people who have tried both would beg to differ. I've heard elsewhere about pharmacies in india having less potent/watered down products.

[ashxcore]

Gotta correct myself on the Modapro thing. It's decent. Doesn't compare to Provigil, though. Not even Modvigil.

I think this is the ranking from best to worst:
Provigil
Modvigil
Modapro
Modalert

[GoatFarmersInternational]

Gotta correct myself on the Modapro thing. It's decent. Doesn't compare to Provigil, though. Not even Modvigil.


Good to know... So then i suppose that this means you've taken the pepsi challenge, so to speak, with modapro vs provigil?

What were your thoughts in general, a worthy study aid? (assuming you're using it as a study aid? If so, i hope finals are going well)

[ashxcore]

Nope. Just more research has been done on it, as it has been considered more seriously.

In the meantime, your pink jellyfish has scored a few Addies for its paper-writing and established a rapport with the dealer, who just so happens to be in one of its classes. :D

[GoatFarmersInternational]

Well, I'm sure you'll have your term paper well in hand then (or are you on semesters?) At any rate, am seriously thinking of biting the bullet and finding some provigil someplace hopefully for not too much money.

[shatteredparadigm]

Oh, I almost forgot... if you make under a certain amount of money you can get Provigil from the company (with a script of course) for free. Got a lot of my meds when I was in college that way.

[catfish]

First post here - was on Champlegals for a while under a different username, but there's an obvious link if you listened to my gobshite under the influence of the RCs I learnt about at Champ's.... heh heh.

Anyway I'm replying here because I have extensive experience of modafinil, and its predecessor adrafinil.

Adrafinil was originally made by the French, and even though it was a useful alpha-adrinergic agonist, it worked on the basis that hepatic metabolism converted it to a psychoactive drug. In other words, a pro-drug. Cephalon (IIRC) worked this out and isolated the active metabolite, which was modafinil. As a result, modafinil is a LOT more expensive than adrafinil, which metabolises to the same drug.

The downside with adrafinil is that the metabolic process requires hefty liver processing, and heavy adrafinil use can raise liver enzymes. Whereas modafinil works directly.

Given the price difference, as long as you're not spending your entire life living on a-adrenergic stimulants, adrafinil is probably a cheaper bet, though it takes longer (and requires higher doses) to work.

I've tried them both, very similar effects but adra takes longer, moda requires half the dose and works faster. But it's a LOT more expensive.

However *neither* of these drugs are 'recreational' in any respect. No euphoria, no alteration of intention, just a basically functional increase in alertness. There's a reason why the first-world military forces have issued modafinil to their fighter pilots / long-mission special forces, etc - the old gold standard (methamphetamine) caused psychotropic effects that led to lapses in professional judgement (cf. friendly fire, etc. - and without wishing to invoke Godwin's law, a lot of Adolf's psychosis was due to his doctor feeding him meth). Modafinil (and adrafinil when metabolised) simply makes you more alert, and if you take the piss with huge doses, can keep you awake and alert for days without sleep.

And, unlike amphetamines (which deplete dopamine), once you've had enough of the modafinil, you just hit the sack, get a good night's sleep, and will be OK next day. No serotonin-style anterograde depression.

In other words, modafinil (and adrafinil) are perfect 'work' or 'productivity' drugs. Not club drugs, not sex drugs, not 'euphoria' drugs.

And modafinil is more expensive than adrafinil.

It's useful, but only for specific situations. Great for exams and intensive project deadlines etc. at work, but I wouldn't recommend it as a weekend 'let's get high' drug. It simply doesn't work like that.

However if you're a student and under pressure to produce output, it's spot on. The military don't use it for nothing.

I haven't been a full-time student for decades but modafinil is incredibly useful when I'm overcommitted for a project deadline. If cash was tight, I'd use adrafinil instead, since the liver enzyme issue with adrafinil only really applies to long-term use.

Very good stuff for the right application, but not a recreational drug. Wouldn't be impressed on the stuff at a party with good tunes, it simply doesn't work like that.

(and for those who have worked out who 'catfish' is from Champlegals... trust me, even taking 8x the usual dose of modafinil also has no recreational psychoactive effects - you'll just get a heavy headache and find it hard to get to sleep)

The good thing about these alpha-adrenergic chemicals is that they have *really* little hangover. Forget the supposed-mild hangover of beta-ketones (I've found them a LOT worse than everyone claims) - modafinil and adrafinil are around (if not less) benign than caffeine.

[SoulSeeker]

Catfish, thx alot for the usefull post. Can you be more specific on the dosage?

I found that 3 times the ammount of a adrafinil costs about a quarter of what modafinil costs... So, how much do I need for a productive day and how long exactly is the longer come up phase with adrafinil??

PS: can anyone confirm that modafinil is "over the counter" in the US? I read somewhere (havent bookmarked it unfortunetly) that anyone can purchase it in the US... where as in Europe you would need a prescription. Confirmation would be appreciated heh

[GoatFarmersInternational]

I broke down and bought some adrafinil... I hope it will turn out to be a worthwhile expense... But yeah, a lot cheaper than modafinil.

[tNick]

any link for it ?
as i only tried modalert, it gave me a headache and i havent used it after that.

[GoatFarmersInternational]

My thoughts on adrafinil.................



So, I purchased some a little while back and have taken it a couple of times.... It is certainly subtle, yet there is an awake-ness which could be considered useful. Very subtle, though.

At any rate, I would say that generally speaking I recommend it, but just keep in mind that it is not nearly as effective as, say, stealing some ADHD meds from the neighborhood kids. It is not 'speedy' at all, and I wouldn't say that it makes doing the boring, trivial tasks that more traditional uppers are good for any easier. But, if you are short on sleep, it's not bad.

So, yeah, it's okay. Seems like zero abuse potential for this (at least for me) which you can take as a plus or a neg depending on what you're looking for.

All in all: B+

[DavAth_Dionysus]

Catfish, thx alot for the usefull post. Can you be more specific on the dosage?

I found that 3 times the ammount of a adrafinil costs about a quarter of what modafinil costs... So, how much do I need for a productive day and how long exactly is the longer come up phase with adrafinil??

PS: can anyone confirm that modafinil is "over the counter" in the US? I read somewhere (havent bookmarked it unfortunetly) that anyone can purchase it in the US... where as in Europe you would need a prescription. Confirmation would be appreciated heh

if it is I've never seen it

[ashxcore]

Over the counter my ass.