New World Order is a very apparant and present danger, time to wake up!

[Kahless]

So we have the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, then we have this so called 'Swine Flu' epidemic to rather conveniently take the focus off the other problems.

THEN we had that Air Force 1 and F-16 flying over New York, so called 'photo op' (MY ARSE!) unnanounced, causing 9-11 style panic.

It's all becoming rather true now isn't it?

In my research I found these links for you to digest.

George Bush Senior made a speech 'TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER' SEPTEMBER 11TH 1990 (ANY CLUES THERE!!?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yHNeeZQYE0

Transcripts of speech

http://www.scribd.com/doc/186735/1990-09-11-George-H-W-Bush-speach-Toward-a-New-World-Order

And from the OFFICIAL GEORGE BUSH ARCHIVES ITSELF!!

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=2217&year=1990&month=9

Isn't it time now everyone really woke up to this evil?

Fight the NWO with positivity and unimpeded resilience, they can only survive with us all in fear. DO NOT buy in to the Swine Flu (inside job) fear!

[weaselknot]

yeah, I'm starting to get pissed.

[TheNorthKingdom]

So we have the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, then we have this so called 'Swine Flu' epidemic to rather conveniently take the focus off the other problems.

THEN we had that Air Force 1 and F-16 flying over New York, so called 'photo op' (MY ARSE!) unnanounced, causing 9-11 style panic.

It's all becoming rather true now isn't it?

In my research I found these links for you to digest.

George Bush Senior made a speech 'TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER' SEPTEMBER 11TH 1990 (ANY CLUES THERE!!?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yHNeeZQYE0

Transcripts of speech

http://www.scribd.com/doc/186735/1990-09-11-George-H-W-Bush-speach-Toward-a-New-World-Order

And from the OFFICIAL GEORGE BUSH ARCHIVES ITSELF!!

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=2217&year=1990&month=9

Isn't it time now everyone really woke up to this evil?

Fight the NWO with positivity and unimpeded resilience, they can only survive with us all in fear. DO NOT buy in to the Swine Flu (inside job) fear!

Watch zeitgeist, the illuminati, obama deception.

[weaselknot]

zeitgeist was good, the money masters is also good. I need to see the obama deception, sounds good... I'm sure I'll be extra pissed off then.

[SuperGreenWarrior]

what are you even fighting against lol,

im sure i stand for the same basics as you, but you must see that saying things like swine flu is a bluff when you (as indeed do i) probably understand very little about it is so silly
the spanish flu of 1918-1919 wasnt a bluff was it, niether was the black plague (still the biggest viral killer as far as totall death toll goes),
i understand totally that underhand tactics could be used to keep control of the masses, but pointless conspiracies with no evidence or real direction just do more harm than good,
i want totall political reform, but i am also a realist, i just feel that too many of us out there are just totall anarchists or "new age" socialists who bring nothing but anachievable ideals to the table of politics, i consider it a totall drop out,
if only people with good political ideas could keep there heads under the clouds than perhaps things could get changed, but first there needs to be tangable debate brought to the table, ideal's are just nonsense

[weaselknot]

what are you even fighting against lol,

im sure i stand for the same basics as you, but you must see that saying things like swine flu is a bluff when you (as indeed do i) probably understand very little about it is so silly
the spanish flu of 1918-1919 wasnt a bluff was it, niether was the black plague (still the biggest viral killer as far as totall death toll goes),
i understand totally that underhand tactics could be used to keep control of the masses, but pointless conspiracies with no evidence or real direction just do more harm than good,
i want totall political reform, but i am also a realist, i just feel that too many of us out there are just totall anarchists or "new age" socialists who bring nothing but anachievable ideals to the table of politics, i consider it a totall drop out,
if only people with good political ideas could keep there heads under the clouds than perhaps things could get changed, but first there needs to be tangable debate brought to the table, ideal's are just nonsense

Yes, most of the stuff from the OP is rather alarmist and conspiratorial, but sometimes that's the only way to get people to realize that things aren't OK. Then maybe they will do their own research. Certainly, the swine flu is not a bluff. But it surely seems weird that so much news is given to it when 19 people in mexico have died since this whole shit started. I wonder how many people have died of the common cold in the same period. the swine flu doesn't seem to be particularly virulent in comparison does it?
Seems weird that Mexico has pretty much shut down. I wonder how long it will be before the US decides that our econonomy is so intertwined with latin america that that we "can't allow it to fail" and we must "bail out" their economy or our own will fail..
I don't have any solutions, and it does nothing for me to enumerate the problems over and over again... but sometimes being an alarmist is better than telling everyone "don't be alarmed".

[SuperGreenWarrior]

realist, is the way foward.
what exactly about reality needs to be said in an alarmed manner?, i mean, what good will that ever do,
being hyped up and alarmist acts in a negative dimplomatic manner, its like PETA for example, all they do is make anyone who believes in animal rights look like violent moronic fools desperate for conflict and false cause, they unwillingly do more damage to awareness of cruelty and animal suffering by having absolutley no diplomacy, which personally i find very sad.

all im saying is, I think that if your going to make a political statement, its better to make it understandable and for it to make sense, otherwise those who dont know what you know already will ignore it, its like using idioms to comunicate with someone who is unfamiliar with them,

but things do need to be said, i agree with you, things need to change and that is what is relly important in what were saying here isnt it

[weaselknot]

then as a realist, what are the problems as you see them? and, as a realist, what are some practical solutions as you see them? I'm interested, as I said, I have no real (as in realist) solutions.

As I see it, most of our problems are directly attributed to our economic system. Money in short. Realistically, we can't abolish capitalism. what would we replace it with? what other model is there? communism, socialism, fascism are just labels to indicate how deeply the gov't is actually involved in our capitalist economic "freedoms".

From a realist point of view, you can't just stop the economic model. The only way to do that would be for everyone to just stop putting their money in banks, in fact, take it out. stop taking out loans. quit paying your mortgage. don't pay your federal taxes (which just go to pay out the interest on the US debt to the federal reserve). Put a stop to it.. which is entirely UNrealistic. Political solutions won't fix the problem. It's not a political problem. So the only solutions left are unrealistic, idealistic solutions.... and they don't work in the real world.

[Spaced out]

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[SuperGreenWarrior]

what the fuck is that all about?,

its a joke of sorts i take it?

[bammyjastard]

Hitler was a cunt. Politicians are cunts. Politics is cuntish. Where's me drone........:D

[Spaced out]

FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!

[holdout]

oh that silly adolf. he's a handsome one. lmao *licks his single descended testicle* hahahaha

[ashxcore]

oh that silly adolf. he's a handsome one. lmao *licks his single descended testicle* hahahahalmao

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WTF?
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Also spaced out, what's the deal with you and all these Hitler references in a seemingly positive light? :mad:

[SuperGreenWarrior]

yeah its bizarre isnt it,

ive been trying to suss it out, perhaps its a joke i dont get, or parhaps spaced out is into that,

what does it mean spaced out ? are you some kind nazi fan or something?

[Spaced out]

jumping to conclusions ;)

[SuperGreenWarrior]

no, thats why were asking,

if we were jumping to conclusions wed say,

your a nazi arent you!, or something like that



its not like you explain it very well, and tbh you should be aware that alot of people will see those quotes as an insult, because its not, normal, to have three adolf hilter quotes as a signiature.

i mean it just seems like your a bit keen on him, and i think most people would think that

[Spaced out]

i cant put into words what i feel for that stuff, just its not what you think
hope ye can understand that

[holdout]

hehe he's not the only one. i had a swastika up as my msn display pic numerous times in the past :D the losers that react and msg me about it or are offended by it, get blocked and deleted. the ones that go on ignoring it exist at a higher plane of intellect, and get to stay on my contact list :cool:

lol...


the very fact that ppl look at 6 black sticks on a white circle on a red background and automatically go WOOOOCRAZYCRAZY are the ones letting themselves get tormented/stressed out for their entire lives. i won't let a stupid symbol affect me.

aside from that, some ppl are seeking and/or feeling great change about to happen on dis stoopid planet :D and referring to stuff like this means they find similarities between great change and.... great change!!! hehe. some change is bad and some is good and some is neutral. doesnt make nobody no freakin nazi :p

edit: omfg i just wiki'd new world order and see that it's exactly what i just discussed. yes, yes, have your laugh. i didn't know what it meant.. *blush* as far as i'm concerned it had something to do with wrestling lol

[Spaced out]

mud wrestling? :p

[ashxcore]

hehe he's not the only one. i had a swastika up as my msn display pic numerous times in the past :D the losers that react and msg me about it or are offended by it, get blocked and deleted. the ones that go on ignoring it exist at a higher plane of intellect, and get to stay on my contact list :cool:

lol...


the very fact that ppl look at 6 black sticks on a white circle on a red background and automatically go WOOOOCRAZYCRAZY are the ones letting themselves get tormented/stressed out for their entire lives. i won't let a stupid symbol affect me.
I am perturbed by your train of thought.
The symbol obviously has heavy historical connotations and STILL has political signification, so for you to say that someone who objects to it is of lesser intellect is patently absurd and indicative of faulty logic.

Yes, it is a shame that a benign symbol had to be the emblem of a nefarious regime, but that doesn't mean people can just "reclaim" it without consequence.

When you talk about genocide, and preceding that, CENTURIES of anti-Semitism, perpetuated into the current age, (and lot's not mention the struggles of the other marginalized groups targeted under Hitler) it's obvious that it's not something to take lightly. You can't just expect to give a blank state to something that has been ENTRENCHED into the histories, ongoing and erstwhile, of MULTIPLE countries.

Those who respond are likely to be humanitarians and/or intellectuals who, at the very least, want to know why you have chosen such an incendiary icon to, ostensibly, represent you. It's important to be confronted by history rather to pretend certain events did not occur, but that is NOT the way one goes about inspiring thought.

Being offended by someone adorning the Nazi swastika is NOT indicative of being tormented or any similar thing by the past, but rather justified indignation and acknowledgment that history is not just some sequence of isolated events, but rather a series of concurrent ones whose ramifications are still in effect presently. It does NOT contribute to social stagnation nor the perpetuation of fear, because that wrongly assumes that with the cessation of the Third Reich, all remnants and consequences of Nazism were eradicated.

[holdout]

i dont recall saying i'm taking anything lightly or disbelieving in recorded history. i'm saying in a "vulcan" manner, that, logically, to have your brain neurons go firing around ballistically at the sight of a symbol, is a very childish thing. a weak person that "reacts" to things ever-so-uncontrollably. no discipline.

the paradox is that a person below this higher level of intellect would be incapable of comprehending what i'm outlining :cool: lol.... i appear to be "flawed" in their view ;) and thus misunderstanding leads to the non-stop blaaarbblaarrblaarrr hate-talk against me.

k bye :D

(and yea, i have immediate family that has been victimized in all that stuff when it happened a few decades ago. it means a lot to you now, knowing i'm apart of something more concrete and would cut me some slack, with superficial belief that i'm on some "side" rather than indifferent. but me: i didn't even bring up this mere "fact". i don't place superficial value in facts that mean things they should not mean. the ability to ignore infiltration of one's mind and judge purely, is a gift most coveted and adored ;))

[ashxcore]

i dont recall saying i'm taking anything lightly or disbelieving in recorded history. i'm saying in a "vulcan" manner, that, logically, to have your brain neurons go firing around ballistically at the sight of a symbol, is a very childish thing. a weak person that "reacts" to things ever-so-uncontrollably. no discipline.

the paradox is that a person below this higher level of intellect would be incapable of comprehending what i'm outlining :cool: lol.... i appear to be "flawed" in their view ;) and thus misunderstanding leads to the non-stop blaaarbblaarrblaarrr hate-talk against me.

k bye :D

(and yea, i have immediate family that has been victimized in all that stuff when it happened a few decades ago. it means a lot to you now, knowing i'm apart of something more concrete and would cut me some slack, with superficial belief that i'm on some "side" rather than indifferent. but me: i didn't even bring up this mere "fact". i don't place superficial value in facts that mean things they should not mean. the ability to ignore infiltration of one's mind and judge purely, is a gift most coveted and adored ;))

You must subscribe to Husserlian philosophy. I don't think it's possible for one to be purely objective, to be completely detached from something that has significance on various planes (emotional, historical, social, governmental, et al.). And many philosophers and psychologists disagree with his assertions, his own student, Heidegger, being one of them.

Anyhow, now you go from seeming insensitive to history to seeming as if you're playing this anomalous power game in which you assert a sense of superiority in the manipulation of other people's analyses of you, weeding them out with this broken logical sieve. What the hell else can one take from you touting a swastika? You STILL have not provided a legitimate reason for doing so.

You may choose to 'ignore' things in your conscious mind, but do not for one instance think that you are absolutely impervious to socializing (this 'infiltration' of which you speak, nature, nurture, etc.), and that your unconscious mind has the same defense mechanisms that your ego employs. You seem to have picked up that mindset from Husserl as well. :rolleyes:

[scudinvi]

Ahh. A healthy debate...:D

[holdout]

Ahh. A healthy debate...:D

haha....

Hussearly-whaaa?? hehehe. ashxcore i'm surprised you used the word "sieve". all these brits on here got to ya good with their tea and biscuits haha :D me, i like my fat n greasy 3-times-a-day McDonald's as opposed to 3-times-a-day earl grey. hehehehe


anyway like i said i dont expect you to see things my waaayyyy. it's almost impossible to express how much my motive is not of trying to engineer/manipulate social affects, but rather having the confidence within myself to be wise and move along with utmost indifference to all the little games u silly humans play lol. and i phrase it like that not trying to bestow an image of superiority, but cuz it's the only way to "artistically" put it to words that convey analogical meaning.

[bigtenfan11]

LOL. Ive been watching videos on all of this new world order consiparacy stuff and I love how this thread got off topic in talking about the swastika. honestly though if you like Hitler in anyway, your completly fucked up in the head.

[ashxcore]

haha....

Hussearly-whaaa?? hehehe. ashxcore i'm surprised you used the word "sieve". all these brits on here got to ya good with their tea and biscuits haha :D me, i like my fat n greasy 3-times-a-day McDonald's as opposed to 3-times-a-day earl grey. hehehehe


anyway like i said i dont expect you to see things my waaayyyy. it's almost impossible to express how much my motive is not of trying to engineer/manipulate social affects, but rather having the confidence within myself to be wise and move along with utmost indifference to all the little games u silly humans play lol. and i phrase it like that not trying to bestow an image of superiority, but cuz it's the only way to "artistically" put it to words that convey analogical meaning.

lol
What do tea and McDonald's have to do with the discussion?

But I agree on the notion that we have arrived at a moot point...

[dave777]

Where's all those trillions of dollars that the US was threatened into circulating. The bail out money, where did it go?
Is it true that the US was threatened with marshall law by the federal reserve.
The federal reserve are not even part of the government.
We have school bullies running the world.

[Pandy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-the-end-of-the-dollar-spells-the-rise-of-a-new-order-1798200.html
seriously scary.

[spatchcock]

The fact that I actually have Swine Flu pretty much disproves your theory.