LSA, morning glory style

[weaselknot]

anybody have good results with morning glory seeds (LSA)? what's the best way to prepare for good results? I know about the cold water extraction tech but want more options.

[Spaced out]

I would use an Butane extraction.. all the high and no bodyload! :D
not done it myself, but in theroy it should work!
plus i've heard of people using it to GREAT success

[TheNorthKingdom]

The coldwater extraction I was recommended was bad as hell. I ended up puking all night and have a really bad experience with LSA. It was hawaiian woodrose but it is still LSA.

[wildguy6969]

i took those about five times .......... man i puked everytime violently!
but if spaced out .... idea works i d be up for it agin .... i have about a small dose i never touched in year !

[wildguy6969]

i tried the tripp E's and they where pretty goood !
i didnt get sick !

[weaselknot]

The coldwater extraction I was recommended was bad as hell. I ended up puking all night and have a really bad experience with LSA. It was hawaiian woodrose but it is still LSA.

I'm thinking butane as Spaced out says, then either cold water or alcohol extract. Good?

[buriedalivee]

I've tried it about 5 times.

each time it was harder to chew up 500+seeds (Im a big guy)

the first time I felt weird, the rest I ended up getting sick and throwing up after about 2 hours of nothing.

[wildguy6969]

I've tried it about 5 times.

each time it was harder to chew up 500+seeds (Im a big guy)

the first time I felt weird, the rest I ended up getting sick and throwing up after about 2 hours of nothing.

yah man it fucking sucks puking from L.s.a ...... it was nice after words though ! when i did it iused vodka ...... i wouldnt use water ! but u could !
some people are lucky not to get sick though ... dont let us scare yay !
u gotta try it ... or u will never know !

[valseedian]

I've had an extremely intense LSA experience in my time including upwards of 60 HBWR seeds ( reputable vendor) in 1 shot. 20 cold water, 25 ground and capped, and another ~80 butane/acetone extracted (pre cold-water extracted once)

most extractions were aided by lighter fluid removal of undesired chems.

vomit usually occurred within the first 2 hours after ingestion, tho Ive had alot of luck with extractions and not vomiting (nausea is present, but bearable)

with my largest dose ( which btw, was my first real psychedelic experience) had me tripping for around 28 hours... mild distortions and major color empathy came alongside an almost complete ego loss.

[weaselknot]

wow, I'm not really looking for a 28 hour obligation. Are lower doses worth the nausea?

[wildguy6969]

I've had an extremely intense LSA experience in my time including upwards of 60 HBWR seeds ( reputable vendor) in 1 shot. 20 cold water, 25 ground and capped, and another ~80 butane/acetone extracted (pre cold-water extracted once)

most extractions were aided by lighter fluid removal of undesired chems.

vomit usually occurred within the first 2 hours after ingestion, tho Ive had alot of luck with extractions and not vomiting (nausea is present, but bearable)

with my largest dose ( which btw, was my first real psychedelic experience) had me tripping for around 28 hours... mild distortions and major color empathy came alongside an almost complete ego loss.

nice man !!!i think i might start playing with them agin!

[the.harris]

swim has had a fw experiences with both woodrose and morning glory seeds, both ending in a pretty darned good and quite enjoyable experience...apart from the sever nausea and insatiable want for instant death the next day..
1st experience was with hbwr and had about 4-6, was chilled and spent the afternoon in the city walking around...good times. smoked a bit which helped..makes you fart and feel a bit nauseus which is ok depending on who your around..

morning glory was approx 450 seeds, eaten straight..never do this!! the coating in the seeds is not something you want in your body, didnt spew but went out for byo with about 14 girls swim hardly knew..few bottles of wine and far too much laughing, followed by half a tab.
made for a big experience and a very intense trip.
the next day was one of the worst days of my life, not something you want to have to experience..but if you extract them the poison in the seeds is removed and their much more palatable..enjoy!!

[Spaced out]

:D:(:)SWIM1/

[xxdd]

Let us know what extraction you end up going for, I've got a few lying around that I'll get round to trying soon.

How much you planning to take?

[weaselknot]

I had some crap MG seeds. Did a butane blast to get rid of the crap, then cold water extract. was planning to dry completely, dissolve in a couple ml's of high proof alcohol,add peppermint oil. (quote) "Apparently N-(1-hydroxyethyl)lysergamide is an adduct compound formed from lysergamide (lysergic acid amide, LSA/LAA, LA-111) and acetaldehyde. This hints towards the idea that isn't the most stable of compounds, but would be pretty easily formed by the combination of lysergamide & acetaldehyde under physiological conditions (ie a way to get much more & better psychedelic activity from any lysergamide extracted from seed sources)
Meaning you don't have to reflux them together for hours to get the product. You just mix them together at normal temp, pH etc & voila, you get an equilibruim set up between it and lysergamide/acetaldehyde. If you can preceiptate it from soln while leaving the lysergamide in soln it could be almost a quantitative production. anyway, there's some magic ratio to hit with LSA/LSH to make a better experience, which is a moot point because my seeds sucked.

[iodei]

I tried lsa three times. 1st time 50 seeds 2nd time 75 seeds 3rd time 100 seeds. 1st time I crushed them very ghetto like and put in alcohol for like 20 min. 90 proof. I had mild color empathy and distortions. I also felt nausea but didn't puke. 2nd time I chewed and spit. Then put in cold water and drank. I just felt like ass. 3rd time I ground, put in tea bags. cold water in dark closet for 2 hrs. And then strained and drank. Mild empathy. nausea. My suggestion. Erowid has a meathod on their site. it sounds complex. but a buddy of mine did it. And it worked amazingly. 150 morning glory and he forgot the world existed. Takes three days but all lsa is pure and no other chems.

[iodei]

Got bored, did some research. Easiest way to tripnon morning glory: buy methanol and 500 morning glory seeds. Blend to fine powder and cover with 1L of methanol. Leave in dark corner for up to 4 days. Shaking occasionaly to mix. After 4 days,clean up the resin on the sides so none is left behind. Then evaporate methanl on less than 100 degree heat and when done you should have a yellowish crystal or closer to brown if there are more impurities. Then smoke or eat the crystal. Make sure to be careful. 250 seeds is an average dose.

[xxdd]

Got bored, did some research. Easiest way to tripnon morning glory: buy methanol and 500 morning glory seeds. Blend to fine powder and cover with 1L of methanol. Leave in dark corner for up to 4 days. Shaking occasionaly to mix. After 4 days,clean up the resin on the sides so none is left behind. Then evaporate methanl on less than 100 degree heat and when done you should have a yellowish crystal or closer to brown if there are more impurities. Then smoke or eat the crystal. Make sure to be careful. 250 seeds is an average dose.

This doesn't look too difficult, reckon it would work the same with acetone?

[iodei]

I was talking to some people, help me if you can. I need to know if acetone would react with lsa. because that would kill it. If it doesn't that would be perfect and you would get an almost pure lsa extract, but idk one way or the other and google hasn't been helpful as of yet. It would be appreciated if someone knew whether acetone rects with lsa.

[weaselknot]

I'm not sure, but I think that a lot more than just LSA would be carried into solution. Acetone is a pretty strong solvent, usually carries Chlorophyll and stuff from plant extractions, so probably wouldn't be selective enough for this..
methanol is ok, but rather poisonous, you would really have to let the gunk dry afterwards- ethanol is good if you go the alcohol route. there's a few good teks out there, I recommend mycotopia.net for good botanical teks, check it out. I seriously recommend the butane tek. Not complex. Not too terribly dangerous (as far as explosive solvents go, ha, ha) and really cleans it up well. (as clean as it's gonna get, apparently)

[weaselknot]

Two bad chemicals: X and Y, respectively. These are the chems responsible for the nausea and lethargy (supposedly)
X = soluble in water, not in alcohol
Y = soluble in pet ether and alcohol, not in water
LSA = soluble in water and alcohol

This pretty much sums it up. As acetone is an aprotic polar solvent it'll work just about like ethanol or water. I wonder though if yucky chem x would also be soluble in acetone. It's been a long time since I have read any textbooks, so I don't know if acetone is more or less polar than water or alcohol. If there was any information on whether the bad chems were alkaloidal in nature, then you could do an a/b extraction and be done with it.

I have heard that Hexane is an excellent solvent for LSA and not so much for chems X and Y.
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acetone displays both polar and nonpolar attributes- it is soluble in carbon tetrachloride, which is non-polar....hmm I would stick with sovents that are very polar, or very nonpolar...

[iodei]

Two bad chemicals: X and Y, respectively. These are the chems responsible for the nausea and lethargy (supposedly)
X = soluble in water, not in alcohol
Y = soluble in pet ether and alcohol, not in water
LSA = soluble in water and alcohol

This pretty much sums it up. As acetone is an aprotic polar solvent it'll work just about like ethanol or water. I wonder though if yucky chem x would also be soluble in acetone. It's been a long time since I have read any textbooks, so I don't know if acetone is more or less polar than water or alcohol. If there was any information on whether the bad chems were alkaloidal in nature, then you could do an a/b extraction and be done with it.

I have heard that Hexane is an excellent solvent for LSA and not so much for chems X and Y.
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acetone displays both polar and nonpolar attributes- it is soluble in carbon tetrachloride, which is non-polar....hmm I would stick with sovents that are very polar, or very nonpolar...

Ya, so cant use acetone... right? cuz itll bond.

[Pandy]

I've completed A/B extractions using Toulene and Water/Alcohol with good results.

My understanding was that Toulene is much better at evaporating without leaving toxic residues.

Posted my experiments in the Advanced discussion... here (http://www.legalhighsforum.com/showthread.php?t=193)

[weaselknot]

not trying to be picky, but technically I don't think that it would be an A/B extraction considering you're not actually changing the PH of the solutions in order to take advantage of the solubility of the alkaloids in a basic or acidic solution. The LSA is never converted to the base. That's why I wonder if the crappy substances in the seeds (responsible for the bad effects) are alkaloidal. if they are, an A/B would be tough, if possible at all if the substances carried through at the same ph. I could be wrong though, my chemistry days are long gone. maybe what you're describing is a polar/nonpolar extraction... just taking advantage of the solubility characteristics of the LSA and other substances in nonpolar or polar substances.

[Pandy]

sure, I'm no chemist, so I welcome feedback. I did a bit of online research and asked a few questions and that was where I ended up.

I had tried some of the less technical consumption methods with LSA... the chewing; the eating whole; the 1hr water soak. All I got from that was wicked vasoconstriction, particularly in the legs, nausea, thankfully without vomit, and the overwhelming feeling of death... broken only by the odd hallucination.

The extractions where a labor of love for many months, short of having some expertise in chemistry and suitable equipment, these extractions removed most of the side effects... there was still some side effects remaining tho I overcame most of it by also consuming ginger etc but gone where the worst of them.

[weaselknot]

the only time I really felt OK during the experience was a very short cold water extraction for less than 10 minutes, about 40 gr of seeds.. Not a full blown experience, but very fun.. I hate being sick, I've pretty much given up finding a viable (for me) extraction process.. I ended up reading the gargantuan thread over at the lycaeum, and it seems there may be no solution just yet for the best extraction. I wish I could find an extraction process that left me with something that didn't make me weigh a million pounds and vomit.

[GOA]

Got bored, did some research. Easiest way to tripnon morning glory: buy methanol and 500 morning glory seeds. Blend to fine powder and cover with 1L of methanol. Leave in dark corner for up to 4 days. Shaking occasionaly to mix. After 4 days,clean up the resin on the sides so none is left behind. Then evaporate methanl on less than 100 degree heat and when done you should have a yellowish crystal or closer to brown if there are more impurities. Then smoke or eat the crystal. Make sure to be careful. 250 seeds is an average dose.

You make it sound so casual. Make sure you evapourate all the methanol because it's fucking toxic and it will kill or blind you!