Crop Circle Documentary

[GOA]

New Swirled Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAdrSvOgwI&fmt=18) - Fixed Link... my bad!

[Pandy]

Crop circles are quite amazing and interesting to look at.
Personally I struggle to believe that they are any more than fantastic human artworks. I know others will differ.

There is lots of science and psuedo-science that argue back and forth over the legitimacy of crop circles, whether they are man-made, paranormal phenomena or alien creations.

For me the most interesting aspect of crop circles is that they don't appear in my country. We have plenty of crop fields. But no crop circles. To be perfectly honest we've had no unexplained crop circles, in 1998 one was created for tv and obviously documented.

How is my part of the world is absent of whatever it is that creates these masterpieces?

Now I'm pretty sure that UFO's and Aliens can be ruled out. I'm not saying Aliens don't exist. Just that the argument is too easily debunked.

This leaves only the man-made and paranormal to explain the phenomena of crop circles.

Again we are back at the science vs psuedo-science argument.

If we agree for a moment that some crop circles have definite human origins, while others, that cannot be explained so easily, are of paranormal origin.
i guess the question for the paranormal side is - why stop at crop circles that are being plagiarised by man? why not patterns cut into forest, or rocky mountainsides, or sand deserts that have been melted into glass patterns? or how about an actual face in the moon?

If something is wanting to communicate to us - how is it that their ability extends only as so far as bending maize? surely they must know that their message is lost in the cacophony of copycat crop circles.

[GOA]

Well, whoever is making them, they are using microwaves and electromagnetivity to 'bend' the plants. The physical evidence on the plants is pretty definite.

[scudinvi]

New Swirled Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAdrSvOgwI$fmt=18)

That link did'nt lead to any crop circles...:confused:

[Pandy]

(fixed link)

i'm gonna have a rant... here goes...

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the findings. However no one point of evidence was viewed by scientists/researchers other than those promoted by the people interested in the crop circles. No noteworthy scientists will touch the phenomena of crop circles.

The fact, and it is a fact, that mathematics are employed in the construction of these artworks is not evidence of intelligence beyond human intelligence. Man has been making patterns that are inadvertently/unknowingly mathematic for millenia. Man has also been known to create artworks that can only really be appreciated from distance/altitude (ie naztec lines)

At the beginning of the video a researcher points out the objectivity of crop circles, that they are phenomena we can all go and see them for ourselves. half way through the video we are then introduced the subjective 'floating balls of light' and UFO's. one guy says "it's as if they want to be seen... they provide some proof that something weird is happening".

then subsequent interviewees continue to make that there is a connection between the UFO phenomena and the crop circles. Actually there is no evidence that there is such a connection. I take note of the evident cultural tracking which is present in the 'space message' crop circle... notice that the representation of the physical appearance is none other than the traditional 'alien'. We don't actually know what aliens look like other than what has been presented in tv and film... short, grey, oversize heads and large eyes.

As for the 'alien' communication vs our receiver... you can see that style of receiver/transmitter inside your own mobile phone... nothing alien about it at all. it is a receiver based on a fractal design which allows your mobile phone to receive a number of different frequencies without a massive external aerial. this aerial design paved the way for the tiny antena-less mobile phones we all carry today.

Oh I go on... the very researcher who we met a the beginning then gives another definition of cultural tracking when he points out that the crop circles of yesteryear were work of the devil and now the circles are the work of aliens. what changed within our culture... the enlightenment, science debunking the myth of natural events. human societies have always had a scapegoat for the inexplainable... aliens are only the most recent manifestation.

OMG then the mayan calendar is introduced... a crop circle in mexico no less and a extraneous digression.

"... the hard facts regarding this situation, are hard facts. you know, they not sorta fffflaky claims or you know wishful thinking. there are certain facts which people do need to know."

Actually, and to repeat, no hard facts were presented at all. No conclusive science was presented except for the mathematics (pi, binary).

opening yourself to the unknown is exactly that. trying to explain the unknown, well that defeats the purpose.

Fin.

[GOA]

I wish the rep system in this forum actually worked... nice rant Pandy. Like yourself, I did realize that there were no reputable scientists involved or hard evidence to prove anything at all really. It was a novel, interesting and sometimes convincing documentary, but an open and unbiased mind does have to be maintained.

Nonetheless, I find it hard to believe human involvement as some of these crop circles would require some intense intelligence and technology to plot the brilliant, and sometimes immense works of art in such a short period of time, without any mistakes whatsoever.

It's just wishful thinking, but I think every person hopes that we're not alone in this universe, especially during such troubled times. :)

[Pandy]

I think a lot can be done with a basic handheld gps device (one you can enter multiple plot points) and a laser measurement device. builders use these tools with precision for surveying and laying foundations. just a thought on the precision of these crop circles.

[scudinvi]

I think a lot can be done with a basic handheld gps device (one you can enter multiple plot points) and a laser measurement device. builders use these tools with precision for surveying and laying foundations. just a thought on the precision of these crop circles.

Yeah with today's technology it may be possible to pull something like that off, but I doubt it can be done over night without anyone noticing. Also the earliest recorded findings of crop circles dates back to the 1600s and they nowhere had the technology we have today.

[Pandy]

Yeah with today's technology it may be possible to pull something like that off, but I doubt it can be done over night without anyone noticing. Also the earliest recorded findings of crop circles dates back to the 1600s and they nowhere had the technology we have today.

the problem I have with that information is that we have no artifact to compare with todays crop circles. even the documentary failed in producing any evidence that the crop circles of 3 centuries ago where of the standard that we see them today. the crop circles of the 1600's could have been made by wandering cattle or sheep for all we know.

one researcher pointed out that crop circles were growing in complexity year after year... is there a correlation to be drawn between the availability of precision equipment and the complexity of the crop circles.

[GOA]

Only time will tell I suppose.