Anyone gotten chest pains from taking meph/methy?

[borbiusle]

It's been about a month since I've touched any of this stuff. I've only used meph twice and methyl 3 times, binged once on meph(about 700mg), my methy use was about 100mg-150mg per session.

Anyway, I've been having chest pains since then, especially on the left side of my chest. I've been to the ER and doctor, they checked my blood, urine, heart, and blood pressure, everything normal. I got a chest X-ray and EKG last week, everything came out normal.

I'm really worried, I was perfectly healthy before this, and now I feel like an old man running to the doctor all the time because of my chest. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Mona Lisa]

I've never noticed this effect, myself. Chance are, you're probably worrying too much, especially as it doesn't sound like you've done huge amounts of either. But if you want to be safe, don't do it anymore. Hope you're OK though.

[Dismember84]

I have gotten this feeling from meph before. I had it the next day after a similar binge of 700-800mg.

It's been about a week and half since I've had meph and it's went away since then.

That's very strange that your doctor tested you and everything came okay too. Makes me wonder what this feeling you and I were experiencing is. Hopefully it eases up soon.

[Mona Lisa]

I'd guess a lot of it is simply from anxiety. Perhaps it temporarilly raises pulmonary hyptertension for a few days afterwards which could explain the chest pains. A bit like having temporary angina. Just treat it with respect and if it happens again, then accept it's not for you.

Another thing that occurred to me is that people often have sore muscles after a stimulant binge, similar to after a hard workout at the gym. You might have been experiencing sore muscles around your ribcage which you might have been mistaking for chest pains. Just a thought.

[borbiusle]

I'd guess a lot of it is simply from anxiety. Perhaps it temporarilly raises pulmonary hyptertension for a few days afterwards which could explain the chest pains. A bit like having temporary angina. Just treat it with respect and if it happens again, then accept it's not for you.

Another thing that occurred to me is that people often have sore muscles after a stimulant binge, similar to after a hard workout at the gym. You might have been experiencing sore muscles around your ribcage which you might have been mistaking for chest pains. Just a thought.

Well, I'm staying away from the stuff for good, I don't want to tempt fate :p. I thought it might have been sore muscles, but the pain is more of a stabbing/tightening type of pain than soreness. I've even gone to the gym and tried to duplicate the pain doing various exercises but I didn't feel it then so I'm ruling that out for now. I can still run 3 miles non-stop so I'm almost certain my heart's ok.

One thing that I do notice is that every time I used either product, I seem to lose weight in my chest area, like I could almost see my ribs(even now I can see them quite easily if I stretch my arms out a bit), maybe that has something to do with it. It could also be angina like you described, but that should have went away, especially after a month, unless I fucked myself up and made it permanent somehow.

[GoatFarmersInternational]

I know that cocaine has been known to cause chest pain (acute coronary syndrome) in otherwise healthy, relatively young users. It is rarely recurrent after cessation of use, and very rarely results in serious/life threatening conditions (myocardial infarction). ECG's are often non-diagnostic.

Although I know only little of the pharmacology involved in methyl0ne and meph, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that use of either of these substances could cause symptoms similar to cocaine induced chest pains.

I would suggest that your best bet would be to refrain from use :(

I'm not a doctor, btw, so you've really no reason to listen to anything I say. I think you were wise to visit the emergency department, though. Chest pain is scary, and not to be taken lightly.

[Pandy]

Link to the Mephedrone Health Thread (http://www.legalhighsforum.com/showthread.php?t=130)

I have experienced some chest discomfort too... the explanation - who knows. but I have a keen interest in exploring all Mephedrone related health issues or concerns.

With the doctors tests, did they take a blood sample? and with that blood did they happen to check the levels of methemoglobin? the oxidised form of haemoglobin, I would be interested to know.

[borbiusle]

Link to the Mephedrone Health Thread (http://www.legalhighsforum.com/showthread.php?t=130)

I have experienced some chest discomfort too... the explanation - who knows. but I have a keen interest in exploring all Mephedrone related health issues or concerns.

With the doctors tests, did they take a blood sample? and with that blood did they happen to check the levels of methemoglobin? the oxidised form of haemoglobin, I would be interested to know.

I only got to glance at it for about 5 seconds, so I don't know. They didn't find anything abnormal/illegal, just a slightly high level of potassium, but that might have been from taking a Centrum multi-vitamin I took that morning.

[Rigmarole]

With no drugs involved I've had a very bad chest pain for a couple of weeks which after many tests the doc put it down to muscular pain. It was a very tight chest pain and I could hardly breath because it caused so much pain.

On another note I have had chest pains after meph, when I keep binging and its like 9am but im not sure if its paranoia because I've danced all night many many times off 90's mdma with no probs with my heart at all.

So either it is muscular, its paranoia or meph has a adverse affect on the heart which is not fully known about yet.....

[shizerbeard]

Yes i experienced pains in the left side of my chest from meph use.

I went to the doctor who had no answers and just said itll probably go away.

#Be careful, as i cut down after getting these pains but someone else didnt (when they got the pains) and ended up in hosp not too long after with problems.

The pains on meph werent really sore, more like pressure but still worrying. Different to the sharp sort of pains you get from summer dazes time to time.

[TheNorthKingdom]

I know a guy who got chest pains. Not frem meph/methy but from amphetamines.

Yeah the reason is probably using to much - in his case it was.

[runnersanriders]

yea ever since I have been using meph I have noticed when I have been going running a slight pain in the left hand side of my chest and also when Im not excersising i get out of breath a lot more easliy,I have only noticed this since I have been takin meph tho as I have never had methylone.Kinda worrying really

[shatteredparadigm]

Meph is by all means not good for you, but the dosages seem to be ok. Have you been monitoring your blood pressure?

It's possible it could be panic/anxiety attacks. First time I OD on amphetamines I couldn't take anything even close. Caffeine triggered a panic attack where I thought I was going to die...

Get as extensive of testing done as you can afford first. There's always the possibility that the bout of high blood pressure that meph gave caused something serious. After that, see if you can get a low dose benzo and take an aspirin.

[Cofster]

Yeah every time I've had meph i had pain/pressure in my chest for a few days afterwards. It seemed to respond to the movements of my head tho which indicated something muscular(?). Only ever felt it after meph use and it was enough to deter me from having it again. It is quite worrying that too many people have been reporting this.

[nyguy]

Might not be heart related could be Acid Reflux

http://ezinearticles.com/?Acid-Reflux-Chest-Pain&id=267543

I happen to know that Amphetamines can produce Acid Reflux. I'm guessing other stims might have a similar effect. I would try Pepcid about half hour before. That said undiagnosed chest pain is not to be messed with - if you don't know what is causing it go get a physical and get it checked out. But if you've done a battery of heart tests and it checks out OK, it most likely isn't your heart. That said, I'm not medically qualified, so usual disclaimers apply.

Cheers, NyGuy

[Pandy]

For me it would be nice to think that it was simply reflux... however I don't think that it is.

The chest pain that I'm familiar with is the one that feels located somewhere between the heart and the inside of the rib cage just below the left pectoral muscle and presents itself as a sharp pain - movement aggravates it, taking a deep breath even is enough. Usually though it lasts only a matter of moments <1min at a time and is reminiscent of cramp.

This is something to think about, this particular pattern is more commonly seen in those with acute anxiety and becomes a cyclic problem.

The chest pain can be painful enough to pause our breathing and focuses our attention on the region in pain - then concern about the heart - this event is enough for most of us to start pumping out the adrenalin - which speeds up the heart beat to pounding and draws blood from nonessential organs - which can lead to feeling slightly dizzy even - we sense this and take the concern even further fear of a heart attack etc.

I don't mean to suggest that this is all that it is - just something to think about.

[borbiusle]

Meph is by all means not good for you, but the dosages seem to be ok. Have you been monitoring your blood pressure?

It's possible it could be panic/anxiety attacks. First time I OD on amphetamines I couldn't take anything even close. Caffeine triggered a panic attack where I thought I was going to die...

Get as extensive of testing done as you can afford first. There's always the possibility that the bout of high blood pressure that meph gave caused something serious. After that, see if you can get a low dose benzo and take an aspirin.

What type of tests should I request? I get free healthcare from my job luckily, it's just a matter of convincing my doctor to approve it all(she hates being told how to do her job :( ). I'm seeing my doc again next week, they're giving me a heart monitor to wear for 24 hours to see what else they can find.

Already tried 800mg of Ibuprofen. Doesn't help. I dunno what benzos are but I'd rather not throw more pills at the problem. It's not acid reflux or inflammation, I've been taking pills for those since the chest problem began and it hasn't gone away.

[Pandy]

I dunno what benzos are

Benzodiazepine - have a read on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine)

In some countries these are very difficult to obtain through prescription.

[Toela65]

For me it would be nice to think that it was simply reflux... however I don't think that it is.

The chest pain that I'm familiar with is the one that feels located somewhere between the heart and the inside of the rib cage just below the left pectoral muscle and presents itself as a sharp pain - movement aggravates it, taking a deep breath even is enough. Usually though it lasts only a matter of moments <1min at a time and is reminiscent of cramp.

This is something to think about, this particular pattern is more commonly seen in those with acute anxiety and becomes a cyclic problem.

The chest pain can be painful enough to pause our breathing and focuses our attention on the region in pain - then concern about the heart - this event is enough for most of us to start pumping out the adrenalin - which speeds up the heart beat to pounding and draws blood from nonessential organs - which can lead to feeling slightly dizzy even - we sense this and take the concern even further fear of a heart attack etc.

I don't mean to suggest that this is all that it is - just something to think about.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. If possible for people affected by this they should try taking a Benzodiazepine (e.g Xanax, Valium, Klons etc) and see what difference this makes to the symptoms. That should give a lot of answers.

[borbiusle]

For me it would be nice to think that it was simply reflux... however I don't think that it is.

The chest pain that I'm familiar with is the one that feels located somewhere between the heart and the inside of the rib cage just below the left pectoral muscle and presents itself as a sharp pain - movement aggravates it, taking a deep breath even is enough. Usually though it lasts only a matter of moments <1min at a time and is reminiscent of cramp.

This is something to think about, this particular pattern is more commonly seen in those with acute anxiety and becomes a cyclic problem.

The chest pain can be painful enough to pause our breathing and focuses our attention on the region in pain - then concern about the heart - this event is enough for most of us to start pumping out the adrenalin - which speeds up the heart beat to pounding and draws blood from nonessential organs - which can lead to feeling slightly dizzy even - we sense this and take the concern even further fear of a heart attack etc.

I don't mean to suggest that this is all that it is - just something to think about.

This is pretty much what I have. I also have more anxiety than normal in social situations (I get all sweaty, my knees tremble violently, I feel like I have to leave and be alone somewhere etc.) It seems like drinking energy drinks or liquor aggravates this greatly, but I can still do vigorous cardio just fine without pains.

I hope it's simply just anxiety and not a heart issue, but even then, I think the meph or methy did something to my mental state. I'm more jumpy/anxious and prone to feeling depression/anger than normal and it feels permanent. It's been almost 8 months since I quit too and I've only used 3 times total.

As far as anxiety goes, is there any steps I can take to reverse this without prescription meds?(I only have health insurance through my job but it's a sensitive position, so asking them for meds is out of the question)

[Pandy]

this is a complex question so i'll try and make it simple by presuming that the social anxiety you experience occurs not only when intoxicated but when you are sober too.

if so then I would encourage you to read up on anxiety (if you haven't already) and how it impacts the body. and then to find a good counselor/therapist to work with to help you understand your anxiety and find ways to alleviate the symptoms. this is probably the best way to go if you do not wish to take Rx anti-anxiety meds.

anxiety on it's own will cause higher levels of adrenalin in your body, adrenalin has several functions including increasing HR. energy drinks are contain stimulants like caffeine etc. mix the two together and you can expect complications.

[shizerbeard]

Had some quite disturbing palpitations and some slight pains in chest yesterday.

I had been on a night on the piss night before, then mephd about 700mg when i got home in small doses til around 10am. Remembered i had work at 2 so had couple of phenaz, followed by an energy drink at 2. Then 2 coffee's over next couple of hours.

Was noticing my heart rate and how much it was pouding a lot.

Was very bad when went to bed at 11pm..really pounding quite a lot every few beats.

gone today though.

Pains were present from about 8-10pm yesterday too, not the pains ive experienced before from meph use though. this time on upper right side on chest, felt like a precise sting, not really sore or anything but worrying all the same.

Caffeine couldnt have helped though

[scudinvi]

Had some quite disturbing palpitations and some slight pains in chest yesterday.

I had been on a night on the piss night before, then mephd about 700mg when i got home in small doses til around 10am. Remembered i had work at 2 so had couple of , followed by an energy drink at 2. Then 2 coffee's over next couple of hours.

Was noticing my heart rate and how much it was pouding a lot.

Was very bad when went to bed at 11pm..really pounding quite a lot every few beats.

gone today though.

Pains were present from about 8-10pm yesterday too, not the pains ive experienced before from meph use though. this time on upper right side on chest, felt like a precise sting, not really sore or anything but worrying all the same.

Caffeine couldnt have helped though

Soooooo let me get this straight. After taking 700 mgs meph you remembered you had work at 2 so had couple of phenaz, followed by an energy drink at 2. Then 2 coffee's over next couple of hours?

If you knew you had to go to work why would you take an energy drink and a 2 coffees before you go to bed?...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/headache.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Pandy]

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Pains were present from about 8-10pm yesterday too, not the pains ive experienced before from meph use though. this time on upper right side on chest, felt like a precise sting, not really sore or anything but worrying all the same.

Caffeine couldnt have helped though

this sounds like the intercostal muscles in your chest were tight/spasming.

[ezenow]

Soooooo let me get this straight. After taking 700 mgs meph you remembered you had work at 2 so had couple of phenaz, followed by an energy drink at 2. Then 2 coffee's over next couple of hours?

If you knew you had to go to work why would you take an energy drink and a 2 coffees before you go to bed?...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/headache.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Read it again
He went through the night
Work at 2 pm

[ezenow]

I have had chest pains, left hand side.

Nothing to bad clears up pretty quick.

My posture is pretty crap do a lot of computer work through the night and can get into the work and shallow breathing. These things over many hours and meph cause me a bit of pain.

Also suffer from general tension in the body due to the above, working long hours and a lot on my "life plate" at the moment. This mix without the meph will give me some chest and stomach tension.

As you come down or the next few days after a session you may have some residual tension and come down anxiety which can result in tight chest. If a benzo taken under these conditions clears the pain, my guess is it's more mental anxiety than an actual physical problem.

It has been reported that for some meph does mess about with the heart in some way, so if you are getting constant pains in the chest cut rite down or do something different.
Every now and then during a session have a really good stretch out, massage chest area, and remind yourself to breath slow and deep.

[scudinvi]

Read it again
He went through the night
Work at 2 pm

Okay...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/shy.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[perfect haze]

Its kinda inevitable if you are going to hammer any stims surely...just your body telling you to have a rest.

[GOA]

I think the question here is who HASN'T got chest pains from meph?

[Pandy]

anyone want to try something on their next meph bender?

I picked up some body stretches for people who work sitting at desks, mostly upper body, torso, neck and back exercises. Also some breathing exercises from a meditation/relaxation book.

During mt last few meph rides we did a combo of these exercises to limber up and noticed much less discomfort.

We wondered if others might wanna try this and see if it works for them too.

[Horrorcops]

I always get a pain in the ribs when I do meph. Chest an lungs felt crushed an beathin was very short an shallow. Slighty panickin due to the lack of bein able to breath properly. Even the simplest of tasks completely knackered me. Durin the session I tried lyin down flat on the floor to control breathin an reduce chest pains. Pain in ribs seems to go after I managed a good few hours sleep, but that wasn't until day 4!!
After doing 15 g between the two of us over 3 days none stop, we felt fucked standing up. I get bad pains in my ribs on the
Left

[shizerbeard]

15g! is a shitload Even if it is between 2!

Most ive ever done in 3 days was a lowly 4g...

[mrjynxx]

I always get a pain in the ribs when I do meph. Chest an lungs felt crushed an beathin was very short an shallow. Slighty panickin due to the lack of bein able to breath properly. Even the simplest of tasks completely knackered me. Durin the session I tried lyin down flat on the floor to control breathin an reduce chest pains. Pain in ribs seems to go after I managed a good few hours sleep, but that wasn't until day 4!!
After doing 15 g between the two of us over 3 days none stop, we felt fucked standing up. I get bad pains in my ribs on the
Left

I managed to get through a gram at work yesterday (oops!) and I work a 9-5.. Mixed that with about 15ml of GBL. By 9 in the evening I had a similar unpleasant spiky kind of pain around my left shoulder for an hour or so. Went away after an hour or so, and I was left with a particularly charming migraine until I KO'd myself with gibble at 3 in the morning. Im not sure what causes it, I'm pretty much convinced that the meph tenses up the muscles a LOT and causes the pains people feel after overdoing it (would definitely explain the migraine, which eminated up through my brain from my neck muscles).

Anyway, I'm feeling fine this morning, no lasting damage. A little gibble pick-me-up, a couple of mugs of char and a divine egg and bacon bap from the gods have sorted me right out (yup, that's right folks, god works in a cafe just round the corner from work)..

Plus another g of that bitch whore meph should turn up in the post soon, here we go again! I'm a sucker for punishment! :D

[Pandy]

RE: HORRORCOPS

for fucksake!... and the rest of us wonder how these substances get negative attention and then scheduled.

considering the relative short lifetime Meph has had; this type of reckless behavior is dangerous. is it any wonder why the authorities are moving to schedule mephedrone?

[mrjynxx]

RE: HORRORCOPS

for fucksake!... and the rest of us wonder how these substances get negative attention and then scheduled.

considering the relative short lifetime Meph has had; this type of reckless behavior is dangerous. is it any wonder why the authorities are moving to schedule mephedrone?

Not surprising at all unfortunately.. It's a proper fiend of a drug with a HUGE potential for abuse. I doubt anyone actually means to take that much, it's reckless for sure but the drug warps your mind into taking more and more, and some people find it very hard to ascertain when to call it a day.. Was fun while it lasted.. :(

[ezenow]

anyone want to try something on their next meph bender?

I picked up some body stretches for people who work sitting at desks, mostly upper body, torso, neck and back exercises. Also some breathing exercises from a meditation/relaxation book.

During mt last few meph rides we did a combo of these exercises to limber up and noticed much less discomfort.

We wondered if others might wanna try this and see if it works for them too.

Stretching helps loads throughout the session
Oh and breathing too, highly recommend the breathing bit

[Pandy]

Stretching helps loads throughout the session
Oh and breathing too, highly recommend the breathing bit

so true, I read a research paper once that concluded that not breathing can be deleterious to ones health... :p

[enduin]

Not surprising at all unfortunately.. It's a proper fiend of a drug with a HUGE potential for abuse. I doubt anyone actually means to take that much, it's reckless for sure but the drug warps your mind into taking more and more, and some people find it very hard to ascertain when to call it a day.. Was fun while it lasted.. :(

The point is: given that some people can handle temptation and some people can't, if you know you got a binger personality why buying shitloads of stuff at a time? If you do it means you know what will happen and you don't give a shit. I read of many people that order no more than a gram or two so they are sure they won't overdo it!

[shizerbeard]

yea thats what i do, i never have large amounts lying around as its a guaranteed bender!

[ezenow]

so true, I read a research paper once that concluded that not breathing can be deleterious to ones health... :p

Yeah made the mistake a few times and went blue

[perfect haze]

I dunno man, even with shitloads knocking about you get bored of hideous binges pretty quickly. Still hammer more than is probbly healthy but it aint like a proper itch, and I'm generally a bit of a binge-monster too :D

[bull022]

Ive had chest pain lately and in my left shoulder which is scary though nothing real bad makes me get a little scared, I actually been doing a therapy called wilsons therapy for the thyroid you take this thyroid hormone and it brings up your thyroid fuction , but since starting this therapy because the Dr has to monitor your cardio now and then decided to take a break for 4 months from any pills and decided if i did i would do it betwen cycles since you do this therapy in cycles on and off every 30 days or so . well i fell off the wagon and did it right in the middle of my one cycle two weeks ago and i did alot of these neos actually was double dropping wound up doing 24 in a week , was fine but the past week been having on and off mild pain in my left side of chest and a little pain in shoulder though i did injure my shoulder at the gym a few months back

Wondering if i did any damage doing so many in a short period of time especially being on that therapy hoping another break would restore any damage if it was done

[bifter]

Hi all,

I'm new here, as you can see. Was lurking and thought I'd put in my two cents, as I'm worried about how popular meph has been getting.

I also got bad chest pains from taking meph, as well as blueing of the knuckles/elbows/knees for the first time (about 0.5g). It really felt as though my heart was damaged, and the pains only stopped about a week and a half later.

I have taken every drug under the sun, including various research chemicals, and there is something very dodgy about this one. The only time I have felt damaged in that way from taking drugs was during my shameful - and thankfully short-lived - crack smoking days. And the only two drugs which have made me wilfully disregard my health in the way that meph did (ie. keeping on doing it even while feeling like something was wrong) are crack and nicotine. Even while suffering bad chest pains I found myself considering taking meph again, and had to throw it away or eventually I would have caved, as it is a very nice high.

I am very healthy, and run 2-3 miles each day. For a few days after taking meph I was struggling after a mile. It is not heartburn...I take proton pump inhibitors and so am incapable of suffering heartburn. My theory is that it is a strong vasoconstrictor, and the extra effort the heart has to pump blood through the arteries leads to chest pains. Clearly these unpleasant side-effects are person-specific, although I can't think why.

I wold say though..please be careful with this stuff. If you do and have used it without problems, then I assume you are not susceptible to health problems, and I'm jealous! But if you have not tried it, I seriously recommend not bothering. Get some methylone instead...

Sorry for the long post, and don;t worry chest-pain sufferers...they will pass!

[rowdy12]

back when i did methamphetamines alot i wouldnt notice it all the time, but my chest muscles would tighten up and afterward my chest would hurt real bad for a few days maybe its the same thing.

[N30nbluk]

Been takin meph a long while with some big binges. The onlY negative effects so far have been nose bleeds. Haven't experienced and chest pains or anything. But thats me. But its worryin the amount of people experiencing these problem!

[shizerbeard]

Yea the pains i experienced wasnt after any long or large binges, more just a gram every couple of days, one day off one day on kind of thing. that fucked me up but was fine after stopping that.

Saying that ive not had any massive binges, 3g was normal but 4g was the most i think.,

after that amount i want to come down!

[Pandy]

back when i did methamphetamines alot i wouldnt notice it all the time, but my chest muscles would tighten up and afterward my chest would hurt real bad for a few days maybe its the same thing.

I think you're on the right track... the more people have responded and the more I have read up on stuff the more and more it feels like this.
Mephedrone causes chest muscle tightness (among other things). One solution would be to breath more deeply and do stretch exercises during and after the high.

it might be interesting to do a poll on peoples physical activity/behaviour whilst on meph in relation to the side effects they feel.

when using meph, which activity do you find yourself doing the most/for extended periods?
(upto but not more than 1gram) sitting, walking, dancing etc...
(more than 1g but not more than 3gram) sitting, walking, dancing etc...
(more than 3g but not more than 5gram) sitting, walking, dancing etc...

[shizerbeard]

sitting and walking. Sometimes walking miles and miles, other times not so much.

[Pandy]

see I what I'm wondering is whether or not half the symptoms we are talking about have more to do with our levels of activity when we are using meph.

for instance, if this combination sounds like you - speak up.

Mostly sitting around, perhaps hunched over the computer.
Check your breathing, is it shallow or deep? prolonged shallow breathing will increase the level of CO2 in your blood... blue knuckles perhaps.
heart beats faster trying to pump more oxygen around... standing up may make you feel dizzy.
tight chest... tight muscles in general... again possibly all to do with not getting enough oxygen, not breathing enough. as the muscles tighten they constrict the blood flow adding to the problem...

any takers?

[Neo]

I agree Pandy, I have been told by many people that any slightly negative side effects were only present if the user was unfit and sitting round doing nothing ... specially smokers.

Fit users that are at a club, moving round and doing something experienced next to no negative side effects in comparison.

[Pandy]

you can see the same symptoms in people experiencing high levels of anxiety.
and one of the answers for reducing the symptoms of anxiety is to be more active.

[ashxcore]

If anything, being really active while on meph seems to be WORSE for the comedown if you analyze it from a physiological perspective.

[Pandy]

I'm not sure what type of activity you had in mind. I guess I was meaning that by doing some basic stretches and being mindful of your breathing could be enough to lessen the intensity of some of the complaints we are hearing.

[nyguy]

If anything, being really active while on meph seems to be WORSE for the comedown if you analyze it from a physiological perspective.

My Meph adventures are REALLY active, like 3-4 hours of cardio aerobic type workout. Easily six times what I can do without it. I usually don't redose other than the odd one or two snorts, because after four hours I am physically beat to exhaustion. My total consumption might be 750mg

Once I come down I seem to have most of the complaints people have listed here, but I am trying to figure out, how much is middle age related? How much is the activity level? and how much is the Meph.

Of course this message is probably just one big lump of fiction.

Cheers, nyguy

[shizerbeard]

My Meph adventures are REALLY active, like 3-4 hours of cardio aerobic type workout.


Same here if the missus is in the house ;)

[scudinvi]

Same here if the missus is in the house ;)

Believe me,I know exactly what you mean.
My problem is, she's always in the house...:D

[shizerbeard]

I dont know if its meph related, but while i havent been experiencing any pains recently, i have been getting more palpitations. Especially as its wearing off.

Im guessing ive used 200-250g over the last 3 years (of meph)

[dwayne_dibley]

you can see the same symptoms in people experiencing high levels of anxiety.
and one of the answers for reducing the symptoms of anxiety is to be more active.

I suffer from moderate anxiety problems, and quite severe for a month or so a couple of years ago. Doing too much meph definately brings out the same symptoms - Tight/tense chest. Feeling like my throat is closing. General muscle tension which leads to pain often around the chest and arms area. Tingling fingers, and at it's worst convincing myself I will die.

Same as a panic attack really, and all stimulants seem to cause this for me when taken in excess. But anyone who's had panic attacks before knows that its a vicious cirlce, the more you panic the worse it gets, and the more you panic!

Weed also seems to trigger panic symptoms if I have more than a few off a joint, but I've been fine on the few full blown trips I've had (2c's and acid).

[Pandy]

I experienced levels of anxiety for a number of years, not serious enough to gain a DSM-V4 diagnosis but debilitating none the less. then I stopped smoking pot and my anxiety almost disappeared.

for me pot brings me into myself, into perhaps lower levels of myself where a base level of anxiety resides.
stims on the otherhand do the complete opposite and bring me completely out of my shell and onto higher levels of functioning and relating. this is where I want to be.

and it like now anytime I feel anxious I remind myself of the person and the potential that I possess when i'm high on pills. and remind myself of what Alexander Shulgin once said "drugs don't do things. They only catalyze what's already there. No drug has skill, it is you who has skill. You only have to know it."

as for psychedelics, well I've had my best trips when my anxiety was at it's peak. set and setting make a difference. but then trips take you somewhere outside of yourself... anxiety can be forgotten. though perhaps I was fortunate enough for nothing to have scared me lifeless during a trip - that may have activated some anxiety.

[bit of a rant]

[ashxcore]

I suffer from moderate anxiety problems, and quite severe for a month or so a couple of years ago. Doing too much meph definately brings out the same symptoms - Tight/tense chest. Feeling like my throat is closing. General muscle tension which leads to pain often around the chest and arms area. Tingling fingers, and at it's worst convincing myself I will die.

Same as a panic attack really, and all stimulants seem to cause this for me when taken in excess. But anyone who's had panic attacks before knows that its a vicious cirlce, the more you panic the worse it gets, and the more you panic!

Weed also seems to trigger panic symptoms if I have more than a few off a joint, but I've been fine on the few full blown trips I've had (2c's and acid).You sound just like me.

[introverted]

fwiw

insufflation of large amounts of any drug are going to cause chest pain, trust me. you'd be amazed at what gets in your lungs

and if your not puttin' 'er up your nose, then i dono

[shizerbeard]

I dont snort a lot. A bit, sure, but not a lot. Ive mostly only been buying 1-2g at a time recently and only snort about 1/4 of that and bomb the rest.

I used to hammer it quite a bit but but i always bombed more than snorted, and except for the last time i had it ive been having no more than 24 hour sessions in last 5 months or so.

[scudinvi]

You sound just like me.

And me...:o

[ShouldKnowBetter!]

I have also had central chest pains several times. Felt tight, and pressured, and as though the muscles behind my sternum were being squeezed. I went to A&E and had an ECG and blood test to check if the heart muscles were damaged (they check for increased inflammatory markers or raised troponin levels etc). I was given the all clear. Still seems a mystery what caused it. Had same again this weekend, and think it may be heartburn. I took a zantac and it seems to have relieved the pain. We are human guinea pigs for this stuff though, so should probably steer clear!

[borbiusle]

I have also had central chest pains several times. Felt tight, and pressured, and as though the muscles behind my sternum were being squeezed. I went to A&E and had an ECG and blood test to check if the heart muscles were damaged (they check for increased inflammatory markers or raised troponin levels etc). I was given the all clear. Still seems a mystery what caused it. Had same again this weekend, and think it may be heartburn. I took a zantac and it seems to have relieved the pain. We are human guinea pigs for this stuff though, so should probably steer clear!

Original topic creator here, yeah I've had every test under the sun done, multiple times, nothing. But I think this stuff has definitely triggered permanent anxiety in me, which would explain the symptoms I still have to this day. My mental toughness and my ability to handle stress has definitely diminished greatly ever since trying this stuff.

[hoogs]

Now then,

Only done meph 4 times and not had any chest pains whilst on it or coming down until the most recent session on friday/saturday. had just under a gram having had similar amounts before, last time new year. havent been exactly healthy in the last month or so been a bit depressed and not been getting much sleep or eating properly. not the best idea to buy a gram i know. had a few heart flutters after about half a gram so stopped asked around and was assured that happens sometimes. had a few more lines arms and face went numb and heart almost seemed to be shutting down as opposed to pumping harder. decided enough is enough so stopped had a little walk to get the circulation going and smoked some weed and went to bed not feeling too bad apart from pain in my chest. been having chest pains on the left side of my chest since. comedown doesnt feel as bad as usual in fact if it werent for these chest pains(maybe due to the weed having not smoked before after drone?) at the doctors on wednesday to get checked over properly and decided this nasty stuff isnt for me. anyone had a similar experience?

[shizerbeard]

Now then,

Only done meph 4 times and not had any chest pains whilst on it or coming down until the most recent session on friday/saturday. had just under a gram having had similar amounts before, last time new year. havent been exactly healthy in the last month or so been a bit depressed and not been getting much sleep or eating properly. not the best idea to buy a gram i know. had a few heart flutters after about half a gram so stopped asked around and was assured that happens sometimes. had a few more lines arms and face went numb and heart almost seemed to be shutting down as opposed to pumping harder. decided enough is enough so stopped had a little walk to get the circulation going and smoked some weed and went to bed not feeling too bad apart from pain in my chest. been having chest pains on the left side of my chest since. comedown doesnt feel as bad as usual in fact if it werent for these chest pains(maybe due to the weed having not smoked before after drone?) at the doctors on wednesday to get checked over properly and decided this nasty stuff isnt for me. anyone had a similar experience?


yea ive had this, from much more frequent use though (few gram every week for last few years). I smoke weed every time i use mephedrone so i dont think its that at all...as ive been free from any chest pain after meph sessions for about 2 years now. Also please note i also went to the doctors after pains persisted for about a week who said i was fine and nothing was wrong. :rolleyes: If your worried lay off the meph.

[monkeynut]

I've also had some experience of this & it's caused me to give mmcat (& all stimulants) a wide berth for now.
I've usually had some degree of chest discomfort after snorting & I've no doubt it has been caused by irritation to the throat & lungs whether it's from the chemical itself or impurities.
I'll bet there aren't many people who've snorted a line of mmcat & not noticed how it burns like hell.I see no reason why it'd be any kinder to your throat & lungs than your nose.
I've seen several people around me suffering coughs,sore throats & chest infections & I've managed to acquire some kind of pneumonia..either viral or chemical which I link directly with mmcat as it has persisted since my last line several weeks ago & seems like a more severe version of what I'd suffered frequently after use in the past.
I also should add that this is not from hugely excessive use.Never more than 750mg over 5-7 hours.Usually more like 350-450mg,2-3 times a week maximum.
I might also add that I'm not at all frail or unhealthy in any other way lthough being a social drug user of around 20 years.
Don't get me wrong,I think mmcat is a great (cough) fertiliser.Sorry,still got a bit of a chest thing going :) But at the same time it's not the sort of corrosive chemical I'll be filling my lungs with in future.The occasional capsule maybe,yes :)
I find this a very worrying trend that something needs doing about & that harm to users will be more physical than psychological.People snorting this stuff in their early teens or anytime come to that is not going to be a good idea.
Ask yourself whether the difference in effect from snorting to oral is worth the health worries.
Good luck to everyone.I hope that this bit of info might help some people out there.

[shizerbeard]

a guy at work is having these pains, same as when i did, upper left hand side of chest, feels tight and is like its a pressurizing feeling

this means you take too much! :p

[zeuzz]

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[heebob]

Hope someone can advise? I took 2 LU doves spaced apart 4 hrs on friday night. Now today Monday, having problems regulating body heat, sweating, trembling hands, butterflies in chest and stiff neck that comes and goes - Obviously LU dove use does not agree - Wonder if any one can offer some advice to help me overcome these symtoms? surpised I have these feelings 3 days later. Not good :(

[monkeynut]

I'm afraid there's no easy solution to your problem.I'm no doctor but have plenty of experience of stims & their after effects.
Apart from the stiff neck I'd say that sounds like a typical 'comedown' to me & the best solution is to sit it out without taking anything else.Eat healthily,plenty of sleep & it'll pass.
I know some peoples' solution would be to knock back a benzo or 2 but to put it mildly,those people have bad times ahead.
I've been there & done that.What seems like the best 'quick fix' the day after will lead to even bigger problems in the future.
If you're still experiencing problems a week after dosing then maybe a call to the doctor would be the best thing to put your mind at rest.
I hope this offers some reassurance but at the same time this is not a medical diagnosis & only you would now how you feel & how urgently you might need to seek help.
I hope it all works out.