2C-I vs 2C-E vs 2C-C

[FriendlyToker]

What are the differences between these psychedelics? I can get only these, and I don't know which one I should choose. I only had one, very mild experience on 2C-E, liked the amplification of details. Wanted to trip again, but had no source. Now I do - but I have to pick one of these.
I'd like to hear about differences, it would truly help me pick the right substance for the experience.
I'd appreciate any info.

[Mona Lisa]

It depends on what you want. I'd say that 2ce is probably considered the best of the three because it's more profound, with more interesting visuals but it can have a dark side to tread with caution on that one.

I've never tried 2ci but from what I've read, it has more of a positive push to it and is more stimulating than 2ce. It can also have a lot of introspection and intersting visuals but is apparently not as deep as 2ce. However, there have been more reports of toxicity when overdosed than with 2ce. The latter seems ironically safer from a physical point of view, though it can be more of headfuck than 2ci.

2cc is supposed to be the least interesting of the three but still comes with music appreciation and some colourful geometric CEVs.

[ashxcore]

Eh, I hear 2C-C is supposed to be relaxing and euphoric, and not much in the way of mindfuck.

2C-E seems best, and like Mona described (although I've yet to try it).

2C-I seems to be perhaps the most recreational of the 3. I snorted a little of it last night as a tester and it needed a bit of a push, but in all honesty, I eyeballed it and wasn't in the proper state of mind, so it's likely that I didn't do enough of it, or if I had, I wasn't really interested in having a real trip anyhow. The visuals weren't very engrossing, although interesting enough, as they were different from what I'm used to, and my thought processes were...confused. I'd had some GBL perhaps an hour before... It had a stimulating edge physically--a literal body buzz, and sometimes like I was filled with energy (although not wakeful energy, which was probably caused by the ~3ml of GBL).

Goodness, what fucked up decision making last night!

[FriendlyToker]

I'm more into visuals than profoundness - I don't feel experienced enough, prefer to take baby steps than have a true headfuck. Seems like 2C-I will be good, then 2C-E. I will probably snort them, just to achieve a faster onset-to control the dose more easily - and use less material.

[shizerbeard]

Only one ive tried of them is 2c-e. At a reasonable dose that stuff is brilliant. One of my favourites really.


Really amazing visuals with a nice hint of euphoria (though it is subtle)

But ill repeat, visuals are stunnning if you get the dose right. Defintley, easily some of the best stuff ive witnessed from any chem ive tried.


2c-i sounds worth trying, though from what people have said its more of a stimulant than a psychedelic. A mate of mine was on it for 8 days straight recently without going to bed! Cant imagine that on 2c-e at all! From what he told me its mild visuals and psychedelic thoughts with a fairly stimulating edge!

2c-c i dont know about.

[Mona Lisa]

The thing about 2ce though is that it can be dosed very lightly; a threshold dose increases music appreciation and introspection while avoiding the dark head fuck that can occur with heavier doses. It seems the cleanest of the phens that I've tried: 2ct2, 2ct7, and probably 2cc in the old Explosion vials sold in the UK three years ago (not the Dutch version of Explosion, which was methylone).

[FriendlyToker]

I am considering 2C-E and 2C-C then - the stimulating edge of 2C-I and mildness of visuals is not what I'm looking for. It leaves only two. I'm interested in 2C-E, but the dark side makes me consider it even more. What about 2C-C? 2C-E attracts me because of the visuals. I had one use before - but the dose was small, and didn't get many effects nor change of mind setting. And the profoundness that can come with it in the right s&s. But I'm considering the 2C-C as well, because if it can produce powerful visuals without being that headfucky - it could be the choice for the next trip.
What is the most reasonable dose for 2C-E and 2C-C?

[Mona Lisa]

I am considering 2C-E and 2C-C then - the stimulating edge of 2C-I and mildness of visuals is not what I'm looking for. It leaves only two. I'm interested in 2C-E, but the dark side makes me consider it even more. What about 2C-C? 2C-E attracts me because of the visuals. I had one use before - but the dose was small, and didn't get many effects nor change of mind setting. And the profoundness that can come with it in the right s&s. But I'm considering the 2C-C as well, because if it can produce powerful visuals without being that headfucky - it could be the choice for the next trip.
What is the most reasonable dose for 2C-E and 2C-C?

I'd suggest trying 8-10 mg of 2ce for your first time, which would seem probably fairly mild but would still give you an idea of the substance. Next time, try 12mg; next, 15mg; its potency increases exponentially so 18mg could easily feel twice as strong as 14 or 15mg. Tread carefully but you should find it a fascinating substance. It takes quite a while to reach the peak, over three or four hours from ingestion, then once the peak arrives, it comes in several waves. It can cause a sense of restlessness but I found it gave me less physical side effects than 2ct2 or 2ct7. You might experience insomnia but I find the comedown not too bad the next day.

Don't know enough about 2cc to comment about doses but believe 2ce is more potent per mg so better value.

At the peak, I felt like my brain was being scrambled and that I was percieving things in a fragmented manner, like in a Picasso painting. But the easiest thing was just to roll with it and not fight it. ;) Music sounds really intricate and chords are out of this world!! I got lots of colourful CEVs and my open eyed vision was distorted. People looked really strange, so it's probably better for taking at home rather than out in crowds or in public. It has a neutral head space rather than a positive push.

[FriendlyToker]

If I was to ingest it, I'd do it with a good sitter in a proper set and setting. What about insufflation? I'm more into it because the experience will come up quicker - and will last less time, allowing me to grasp the feeling easier than if it worked whole day. I see that Erowid states 10-15 as "common oral" dose, and insufflated: 3-7. My first experience was 10mg orally, so for insufflation I will use 5-7 mgs. Onset : 1 - 10 minutes - so if I insufflate too little, I can top up after that time.

[Mona Lisa]

If I was to ingest it, I'd do it with a good sitter in a proper set and setting. What about insufflation? I'm more into it because the experience will come up quicker - and will last less time, allowing me to grasp the feeling easier than if it worked whole day. I'd always advise against snorting any RC, as it's how people have died in the past from various things. Better safe than sorry. Also supposed to burn like hell...

[ashxcore]

Eh, isn't it only the 2C-T-x chems that aren't a good idea to snort?

Anyhow, snorting 2C-I wasn't painful immediately like most say, but I imagine my nose has been desensitized from all the meph that's gone up there this summer... However, starting about 15 minutes into the trip and lasting for about an hour, the roof of my mouth and the back of my throat burned. Definitely an annoying addition to an already restlest bodyload (stimulation?).

I imagine 2C-E, I, and C would each be better ingested orally than administered intranasally.

Also, 2C-C sounds like just the thing to brighten the dark spots of 2C-E.

I'll get back to you when I bump into when I have my rendezvous with 2C-E, but you might get to it before I do!

[FriendlyToker]

I have already ruled out 2C-I because of that stimulation :) And I can handle burning nose - had many things in it already, so that's the last thing I care about. It's just about the time of the trip - I couldn't handle all day of tripping, if any situation came up I'd be doomed. 8 hours is way too long - 4 is alright, as Erowid states it's about the time of the peak.
Now it's 2C-C vs 2C-E...
ashxcore - when will you have the experience? How much are you planning to ingest? Will you use intranasal or oral administration?
Cheers!

[shizerbeard]

have a look at my trip report for 2c-e, may help you make up your mind.

http://www.legalhighsforum.com/showthread.php?t=562


post 10 - i know which one id go for!


ones ive tried have all been similar but so different

2c-b was mostly patterning. vivid as fuck though.
2c-e had the most lucid style of random visuals, ie very strange goings on such as a floor full of worms, a bathroom that melted away into just dirty wood, tobacco walking around like a spider, walls changing shape/size significantly, tree-top waterfalls, ie crazed shit! I never felt the darkside though i guess if you were scared of snakes/worms/spiders then it might be different!
2c-t-2 had more convential (haha) visuals than c-e but was up there in madness. Was really a bit of everything, like patterns from 2c-b but with a lot more random shit added. No spiders but snakes..taken orally this was by far the darkist for me, snorted was a lot more fun though

[FriendlyToker]

2C-E seems fair! Looks like it's the one I'll probably go for. I'm interested in watching waterfalls and melting paint, this can be really, really interesting :) I'mma probably snort anyway just to, as I said, have a quicker trip. I'd still like to see some comparison to 2C-C - as I've read that it's the least headfucking and provides only visuals rather than complexity of the mindset. But if the visuals are not as complex as on 2C-E, I'll go for 2C-E.

[shizerbeard]

yea! what i loved most about 2c-e was the utter random visuals, it wasnt just some patterns and morphing, it was all sorts of shit! Was compareable to acid visuals i thought but still quite a bit different

[GOA]

2C-E is the best by far, better than 2C-B even. The visuals are particularly intense, and the compound is particularly potent. And a little bit of a more 'disturbed/trippy' headspace, but I feel that defines it more of a true psychedelic.

[shizerbeard]

2C-E is the best by far, better than 2C-B even. The visuals are particularly intense, and the compound is particularly potent. And a little bit of a more 'disturbed/trippy' headspace, but I feel that defines it more of a true psychedelic.

you are a sir of many goa's my good chapsmith

[ashxcore]

I have already ruled out 2C-I because of that stimulation :) And I can handle burning nose - had many things in it already, so that's the last thing I care about. It's just about the time of the trip - I couldn't handle all day of tripping, if any situation came up I'd be doomed. 8 hours is way too long - 4 is alright, as Erowid states it's about the time of the peak.
Now it's 2C-C vs 2C-E...
ashxcore - when will you have the experience? How much are you planning to ingest? Will you use intranasal or oral administration?
Cheers!I'm not sure, within a month. Two separate 15mg experiences, oral.

I found the following to be very accurate for 2C-I:


2C-I has an odd "body load" for many, but some say it is notably absent. SWIM's explanation: he has observed that these (jitters/cramps/etc) seem to be a physical realization of mental anxiety - ie, it gives you the ability to realize you are anxious and instant visual and tactile feedback when you calm yourself. As such, 2C-I does not seem to increase feelings of anxiety, only make them more visible to the other senses. While this may seem bad, it is in fact very, very good - as SWIM has used this compound to "train" himself to respond better to anxiety during the psychedelic experience. With other compounds it is very easy to fall deep into an anxiety spiral without realizing it - with 2C-I you'll start to "jitter" and realize that some breathing exercises are be in order. With practice, you can learn to recognize this "jitter" feeling in the much more subtle way it is present in other psychedelics, and address it in a simillar manner.

2C-E, oh, 2C-E. Like I said, it is from the "deep pool". While the headspace of 2C-I is very analytical and slightly maniac, 2C-E I can only compare to... the sound of a gong, a rising wave, sliding down a mountain made of sand. Exhilirating, amazing, and you cannot for a minute think you are not ready or will fall. Do it, or do not - there is no try. While 2C-I can be very fun indoors, 2C-E need more complex external stimuli to really shine. Without this stimuli there is too much dopamine "seeking" behaviour - ie, I want to do something right now but I don't know what it is. With enough stimuli this "seeking" behaviour seems to disappear, to be replaced by a feeling of "found".

[shizerbeard]

If you want a proper 2c-e experience ash, id consider taking at least one dose around 17-18mg

If your worried about the effects then at first take 15mg, but be warned, the person i gave 15mg of it to only experienced very mild psychedelic-ness. Ie very little in terms of visuals compared to me. doseage curve seemed steep as fuck after that. Whereas at 18mg i was tripping balls..

[Mona Lisa]

I would be a little more cautious though because I tripped fairly hard off just 12 mg. But to be fair, I had taken methylone earlier that day which may have made it stronger.

[ashxcore]

Most likely, Mona.

The problem is quantity. There is only about 31mg available to test with.

[shizerbeard]

Most likely, Mona.

The problem is quantity. There is only about 31mg available to test with.

31mg eh? Well PERSONALLY (this is me and me only..;)) 17-18mg and then use the remaining mg's for a snorted dose or 2..could possibly get 3 trips with it.

However i know you dont wanna snort it. What about trying say a 13mg dose first time, then next time you can go with 18mg if all went well?

[General Anesthetic]

2c-e is something I've been looking at for a while, if any of you kind fu(khe@ds out there know where I could source some, I'd be mucho gratifico?!

[GOA]

Just a little note. Don't insufflate 2C-X's. They burn like hell and come on too strong. Use them orally by dissolving in a large glass of OJ or something. This will reduce nausea considerably. Eating a small snack beforehand is also helpful in this manner. A good average dose for 2C-E specifically would be about 15mg, though 40mg has been consumed with no ill effects. Most 2C-Xs are fairly forgiving compounds if overdosed, though as dose increases so will duration and intensity.

[shizerbeard]

Ive now had a fair few experiments with both 2c-i and 2c-e



comparsions.....

2c-e mongs you out, not much movement or sociability at higher doses. Visuals nothing short of amazing though on a big scale, auditory and cev and oev. Defintley worth doing occasionaly just for the sheer amazement of it all, but its not a going out drug.

2c-i provides a fair bit of stim. Awakeness and energy are present. Visuals are a lot more subtle than 2c-e, but at high doses it can also provide a gigantic perception change. More giggles but also more confusion. E like feelings seem to begin to appear but only when the main trip wears off are they noticed.

I think both are different. c-e is more of a one in a while and mezmerizing trip, while c-i is lighter and more social situation friendly. But it still packs a punch if you go for it.l,