Sub Coca

[shatteredparadigm]

Hey,

I heard the original sub coca was good. Like what version should I be looking for (or production date). Anyone try the sub coca dragon?

[ezenow]

HI

Tried sub coca dragon good warm lift bit like charge+ good if in social arena and do not want to appear too of your face.
Leaves you after main effect with a slight head buzz that can keep you awake.

Seen the old range SC for sale a week ago at FUT+++L++++++++ BUT TODAY OUT OF STOCK

[evaporates]

i just got a slight head buzz sleep was ok on then not as good as the original ones

[shatteredparadigm]

HI

Tried sub coca dragon good warm lift bit like charge+ good if in social arena and do not want to appear too of your face.
Leaves you after main effect with a slight head buzz that can keep you awake.

Seen the old range SC for sale a week ago at FUT+++L++++++++ BUT TODAY OUT OF STOCK

I'm probably tired but I might not be familiar with the site. You mind tossing the address my way? Otherwise I can partake in an enjoyable game of hanman (getting better at it)

The site I was looking at was http://www.biorepublik.com/neodove1_english.html and I was going to ask them what version of sub-coca they are currently carrying. I'm not too familiar with the party pills. Is that the right way to ask the question or do you ask by manufacturer date?

Thanks!

[ezenow]

Check your pm

[Sycoo]

The new original sub coca you can get is pretty decent. I was getting some from the nz dealer since im in the states and I really enjoyed it. However for $10 usd a cap its too expensive to mess with more then once in a blue moon when meph is so cheap.

[shizerbeard]

Hey,

I heard the original sub coca was good. Like what version should I be looking for (or production date). Anyone try the sub coca dragon?

Oh it was fucking good! And id try the newer versions they might be ok.

[shatteredparadigm]

i just got a slight head buzz sleep was ok on then not as good as the original ones

I guess that's part of my question... how can you tell. Is there a specific marking on the box detailing the production run. Did the pills change color... anything?

[shatteredparadigm]

Oh it was fucking good! And id try the newer versions they might be ok.

Thanks for the input... I might just for a kick some night. :)

[scudinvi]

The SCDs were pretty good, they were the best for going out with imo.
The High Spirits were my favorite though, had a lot of fun on those. I used to get mine from the NZ site too, but they always seem to be in and out of stock with their products.

[shizerbeard]

double dropping an old spirit or sub coca was like pure serene, falling off my chair bliss. incredibley euphoric.

And i dont think there is ANY old sub coca out there, theyve been gone for well over a year now and these things were so good no one would leave them that long. Neorganics do a "first generation" range but there not actually the same or as good as the real first generation apparently.

[AtomicBambinoid]

what the hell was in the old sub cocas then, why cant we just knock togther some of our own?

[shizerbeard]

what the hell was in the old sub cocas then, why cant we just knock togther some of our own?

well i know the spirits of old were mephedrone. All the old neos felt similar but they did have small differences. But it was defintley a meph esq buzz for sure. I remember it being intense as fuck though , so im not sure if it was meph + something or a slightly differnent but similar chem to meph.

[AtomicBambinoid]

I wonder what those other chemicals were that made it feel slightly different then?

[Dr.Juice]

I heard they have the same ingredients as charge

[scudinvi]

Yeah the old spirits felt like it had meph in them but definately mixed with something else, what it was I have no idea. The comedown off of the old spirits was rough compared to meph, not as clean thats for sure.

[shizerbeard]

I heard they have the same ingredients as charge

im pretty sure thats incorrect, though you might be thinking of the new neorganics available just now, or the "first generation" ones that are not the same as the proper originals that are no longer in production.

[AtomicBambinoid]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43251

dunno if anyone has seen this, also i dont know when the original good ones were around, but if anyone knows they could check the dates of the posts on this link to find out which sub cocas they r talking about.

[AtomicBambinoid]

white = SC2 = 4-Fluoromethamphetamine with Phthalimidopropiophenone
yellow = spirit = 4-methylmethcathinone
blue = subcoca = Metamfepramone + 4-methylmethcathinone + Phthalimidopropiophenone + cafeine
neo dove = green =Metamfepramone + 4-methylmethcathinone + Phthalimidopropiophenone + cafeine

hmm that might be an answer,

but checking the post date was 2007 some time, but then we couldnt be sure when the actual analysis of the substances took place, when were the good sub cocas around?

[shizerbeard]

white = SC2 = 4-Fluoromethamphetamine with Phthalimidopropiophenone
yellow = spirit = 4-methylmethcathinone
blue = subcoca = Metamfepramone + 4-methylmethcathinone + Phthalimidopropiophenone + cafeine
neo dove = green =Metamfepramone + 4-methylmethcathinone + Phthalimidopropiophenone + cafeine

hmm that might be an answer,

but checking the post date was 2007 some time, but then we couldnt be sure when the actual analysis of the substances took place, when were the good sub cocas around?

that will be the good ones. THey were around until Jan 2008. The only thing that confuses me is that the old neos often changed in regard to cap colour. Yellow was always spirit, but white was sub coca for a while, and neo doves were always blue when i had them. Compressors were a pressed pill and never had any SC2 as it wasnt legal here. Also there was the Push Ups..i cant even remember what colour they were (blue/white maybe?) but they were a later addition to the range. But if youve got the colours all correct, it confirms the spirits were mephedrone (4mmc) and it appears that both sub coca and neo dove have the same ingrediants (Metamfepramone + 4-methylmethcathinone(or mephedrone as its known) + Phthalimidopropiophenone + caffeine) probably slightly differing amounts of each active ingrediant.

Someone make some, come on!

[scudinvi]

If in fact those were the ingredients, why were they so darn expensive?:eek:

[AtomicBambinoid]

haha groovy, where are these substances available?

[shizerbeard]

If in fact those were the ingredients, why were they so darn expensive?:eek:

It was only £15-£16 for 4 of them, not that much more expensive! I got a better hit of old SCs and spirits than i do with BLs which are about the same price.

i have heard the newer ones are a bit on the pricey side though.

Well you obviously know where to get mephedrone/4mmc from, and caffeine is easy. I dont know about the other 2 though.

[shatteredparadigm]

So, the only way to tell what version they are is sometimes by the color of the caps? Either that or take it to a lab and get them tested?

Don't they have any markings on the box? I'd like to get some sub coca but only if it's the good stuff.

[shizerbeard]

So, the only way to tell what version they are is sometimes by the color of the caps? Either that or take it to a lab and get them tested?

Don't they have any markings on the box? I'd like to get some sub coca but only if it's the good stuff.


They only had markings if you bought in bulk i understand. And like ive said, you wont be getting any old sub coca's unless you find someone you wants to make them up from the ingrediants. Theres not been any for over a year! The ones listed in this thread are correct IMO, i remember this report coming out originally and im sure the colours listed were the ones used at some stage. I knew spirits were 4mmc and SC2 was not legal in the uk because of the ingrediant. The doves and SCs had the same ingrediants so someone could make them if they could source the chems involved, it would just be a matter of finding the correct amount of each chem required for desired effect.

[shatteredparadigm]

Theres not been any for over a year! The ones listed in this thread are correct IMO, i remember this report coming out originally and im sure the colours listed were the ones used at some stage.

Well, I guess I figured a year isn't that long... depending on the vendor, some stuff might be an older version.

Fuck it, I'll just stick to making my own. :D

[shizerbeard]

Well, I guess I figured a year isn't that long... depending on the vendor, some stuff might be an older version.

Fuck it, I'll just stick to making my own. :D

aye its not that long, but ive seen many many people look for some elusive old neos and there just isnt any left! If someone had a few caps of mephedrone about, how long would it last? Well for me, Sub cocas were exactly like meph but even better! The last neos i seen from any vendor wwas champs, who i think had some in Feb last year. A couple of people apparently had some old neos (though no subcocas) a month or after that, but everyone ive seen claim to have them since has turned out to be nothing but a scammer!

Making your own sub coca's would be very lucritive indeed. Coca Beans? haha!

[AtomicBambinoid]

Does anyone have any idea on the quantities of each substance in the sub cocas?

[shizerbeard]

Dunno myself. The original neo caps were pretty big though (about 250mg I would guess?) The majority of that would be mephedrone for sure. at least 180mg i would think if not more. Caffeine would only be a tiny amount as i didnt find them very caffeine like. other 2 im not sure.

[shizerbeard]

copied some stuff regarding the other 2 chems -

Compound:

Metamfepramone

Legal: Under Australian law, in most states Metamfepramone can be considered an analogue of the scheduled (illicit) drug Methcathinone

Pharmacological: It has been reported (thanks f&b) that Metamfepramone was once used clinically as an anoretic, although use was ceased due to the abuse potential being higher than with diethylpropion, the N-ethyl homologue, also known as Tenuate Dospan. While Tenuate is less euphoric than Metamfepramone, it too was removed from prescription in Australia and NZ around the early 1980’s for similar reasons.

Both Metamfepramone and Tenuate are thought to metabolise in a similar manner.

Quote:
METHYLEPHEDRINE FINDINGS AFTER INTAKE OF METAMFEPRAMONE - STUDIES ON THE METABOLISM AND THE TOXICOLOGICAL DETECTION OF METAMFEPRAMONE USING GC-MS

Thomas Kraemer, Negar Makkinejad, and Hans H. Maurer

Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Department of Toxicology, University of Saarland, D-66421 Homburg (Saar), Germany

Methylephedrine (ME), a sympathomimetic amine, is ingredient of many over-the-counter cold medications. ME abuse has been reported in some asian countries. Kunsman et al. reported ME findings in drug testing samples in the U.S.A. (1). In our lab, ME was found in urine of patients denying its intake. The only known medication was metamfepramone (R,S-2-dimethylaminopropiophenone, MP), a sympathomimetic used as antihypotonic or as cold medication. To study, whether and how long ME, methylpseudoephedrine, ephedrine (EP) and/or pseudoephedrine (PE) can be detected in urine after intake of MP, we reinvestigated the metabolism of MP, its detection within our STA procedure and the duration of detectability.
The metabolites were identified in urine after cleavage of conjugates, extraction and derivatization by acetylation using GC-MS. Besides the parent compound, the following metabolites could be identified in urine: ME, EP, PE, nor-EP, nor-MP, hydroxy-nor-MP and hydroxy-nor-EP. Differentiation of the ME and EP diastereomers was achieved after trifluoroacetylation. Three partly overlapping metabolic pathways could be postulated: 1) reduction of the ketogroup, 2) one- and two-fold N-demethylation and 3) ring hydroxylation.
After intake of 20 mg of MP, its main metabolite ME could be detected for about 140 h, EP and PE for about 132 h (n = 3). Nor-MP, the MP specific metabolite could only be detected for about 52 h. Therefore, in the time window from 52 to 140 h differentiation of MP intake from ME, EP and/or PE use was not possible. The analytical recoveries were 55 % for MP, 98 % for ME and 75 % for PE and the LOD's were 50 ng/mL for MP and 10 ng/mL for ME, EP and PE.
1. G.W. Kunsman, R. Jones, B. Levine and M.L. Smith; Methylephedrine Concentrations in Blood and Urine Specimens, Abstracts to the SOFT annual meeting, October 5-9, 1997, Utah
From here


Quote:
Diethylpropion [Tenuate Dospan]

Disposition in the Body.

Readily absorbed after oral administration. Metabolised by N-dealkylation, reduction, deamination, and N-hydroxylation primarily to active metabolites; keto reduction is stereoselective resulting in the formation of threo–hydroxylated metabolites; glucuronide formation also occurs along with the formation of hippuric and mandelic acids. About 80 to 90% of a dose is excreted in the urine; the amount excreted in the urine is reduced when the urine is alkaline; of the urinary excreted material, N-ethylaminopropiophenone, norephedrine (phenylpropanolamine), and hippuric acid are the main metabolites together with small amounts of unchanged drug, aminopropiophenone, N-diethylnorephedrine, and N-ethylnorephedrine. Diethylpropion crosses the blood–brain barrier and the placenta. The drug and its metabolites are distributed into breast milk.
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Therapeutic concentration

Following a single oral dose of 75 mg to 5 subjects, a mean peak plasma concentration of 0.007 mg/L was attained in 0.5 h; total concentrations of the monodesethyl and didesethyl metabolites reached an average peak of 0.19 mg/L at 2 h. [G. J. Wright et al.,Drug Metab. Rev.,1975, 4, 267–276.]

Toxicity.

The estimated minimum lethal doses are 200 mg for a child and 2 g for an adult.

The following disposition was reported in a case of fatal overdose resulting from the injection of illicit diethylpropion tablets: blood 5.4 mg/L, bile 14.4 mg/L, kidney 0.9 μg/g, liver 0.9 μg/g, injection site 43.2 μg/g. [R. R. Fysh and J. F. Taylor,Bull. Int. Assoc. Forensic Toxicol.,1978, 142, 16–17.]
Half–life.

Derived from urinary excretion data, 1.5 to 3 h in subjects whose urines are acidic.

From Clarke’s Analysis of Drugs and Poisons



Compound:

Phthalimidopropiophenone

Legal: Under Australian law, if Phthalimidopropiophenone produces an illict drug in-vivo, this compound is considered a pro-drug and as such covered by analogue legislation as applies to most states.

Chemistry: A known method of producing amines (including beta-keto amines) is to react an alkyl halide with potassium phthalimide (which is itself made from phthalic anhydride and ammonia). The reaction is known as the Gabriel Synthesis of primary amines. Normally, then phthalimido compound is subjected to either acid or alkali hydrolysis to cleave off the phthalate ion and release the amine either as a salt (acid) or a free base (alkali, hydrazine).

One thing I’ve not mentioned so far concerns the shelf life of cathinones. Cathinones with a secondary or tertiary amine are far more stable than is cathinone itself, which has been noted to sometimes form a cyclization product when being synthesized, and age to form a dimer like product when left standing.

Cleaving the phthalimido group in the lab therefore not only results in a product with a short shelf life, but is also known for producing side reaction products. In short, it’s messy, with the best method considered to be to use hydrazine, and hydrazine is not nice to work with. Also, by leaving the group attached, the free amine is essentially ‘hidden’, and so its thought this would help to mask an already illicit substance.

Pharmacological: A range of prodrugs incorporating a GABA-phthalimide structure have been developed, in particular, for applications in the treatment of epilepsy. One question is; can the phthalimido group be adequately cleaved in the stomach? Acid hydrolysis is normally a very slow process, but it’s been suggested that this may be hastened via enzymatic activity or be performed completely by pyramidinases enzymes (thanks vecktor). Concerns to health include the metabolic elimination of the phthalate ion/ phthalic acid, particularly with prolonged use, and the possible impacts if cleavage occurs in sensitive organs. If hydrolysis does occur in the stomach, then it might explain how effects differ with different routes of administration. Either way, it’s expected the rate at which cleavage occurs would be slow, and may explain the noted changing of effects over several hours.
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[durd1e]

Has anyone had the 1st gen range since the e-mail neorganics sent round about making them bigger doses, stronger and cheaper?

I'd be interested to see if they are much better now.

[AtomicBambinoid]

Well i dunno if anyone has seen the thread on fuckled but it seems that the new range are actually pretty good, when i get the money im gonna try some methinks.

[Cofster]

Well i dunno if anyone has seen the thread on fuckled but it seems that the new range are actually pretty good, when i get the money im gonna try some methinks.

Ohh that's so interesting, could you copy some of the reviews on here coz im not registered there and I need an invitation apparently. Gotta order soon plssss : )

[Mona Lisa]

I've also been reading good reports. :)

[Cofster]

Awww someone fill me in :) Is this just for s.c. or spirits as well? Are they comparable to the very first gen ?

[Cofster]

lol wtf is wrong with fuckled, I somehow managed to register there yesterday and browsed the forums as well as that thread and today it wont even recognize my email. Anyway got my info, 4 sc's ordered : )

[Aussieboy]

I ordered 12 NEW ND's last Wednesday... Double dropped and snorted another straight away... Nice wash of euphoria which lasted a good 30-40mins (almost felt a little like mmcat(50%) strength but mixed with other chems) Either way I ended up munching s8 from 6pm -7am. Definetly stronger and more like the Original Originals in effects.

Sadly the NEW ones have no NEO smell and are a pure white powder... (apparently Neorganics have worked hard to remove the smell and it's worked) I actually will miss the Neo smell I came to love.

Anyway, yes they are stronger and a lot more effective IME and being cheaper means I will be back ordering more Neos...:)

[ShaggyMaengDa]

lol wtf is wrong with fuckled, I somehow managed to register there yesterday and browsed the forums as well as that thread and today it wont even recognize my email. Anyway got my info, 4 sc's ordered : )

I just had major problems with the Fuckled website as well. Logged on okay, but then couldn't get anything to download from the index page. Anyone else having similar problems there?

[Mona Lisa]

lol wtf is wrong with fuckled, I somehow managed to register there yesterday and browsed the forums as well as that thread and today it wont even recognize my email. Anyway got my info, 4 sc's ordered : )

Pretty sure it's invite only now. Good luck with the SC's though:)

[scudinvi]

Wow thats a new one, Neos with no smell?...Back in the day at LigitHit we used to make jokes on how they smelled like cat piss...:D
I've gotta get a hold of these new ones.

[Cofster]

Pretty sure it's invite only now. Good luck with the SC's though:)

Heh that's alrite cause I never got used to the layout there, it's just weird cause yesterday I logged in without problem. Will let you know how it goes with the sc's : )

[AtomicBambinoid]

Yeah man please post your experiences with them id really like to know how they are.

[quasimodo]

Double dropped sc's yesterday, went out drinking. Took ~45 mins to kick in, lasted about 4 hours.

Felt a lot like speed really. Very chatty, lots of energy and a small amount of euphoria.
There was a bit of body rush when coming up but that tapered quickly, felt like only a few mins of that.

Stims usually make me talk absolute shite, but these had a much clearer head space. Really wanted to discuss "deeper" issues than football/gaming and checking out the talent. Bored some of my drinking buddies :p
Also usually feel the beers less on stims, not so with sc. Then again my stim tolerance is high and alcohol tolerance is low, YMMV.

Managed to sleep OK about 8 hours after dropping. Had some weed on hand but didn't need it. Very happy there was no lingering insomnia that I tend to get with nd/pu's.

Felt fine today, still had a bit of excess energy this morning.

Single dosed 5 days prior, felt a little "head clarity" but not much else, hence the double. Have heard that snorting is the preferred route for sc's, might try that next time.

Haven't sampled neo stuff before this range, can't say how they compare to previous iterations.

[Cofster]

Damn I thought my Bio order would be sent yesterday cause I put it through on tuesday but I got the confirmation email that it was sent out today through special signed for. Hope it comes tomorrow cause I'm flying back home in the afternoon and staying there for a few weeks : )

[AtomicBambinoid]

Anymore experience reports/reviews of the new sub cocas yet?

[herbert]

does "they made them bigger & stronger" mean that they finally took a break in making that overpriced stuff smaller and weaker from batch to batch? :D

[Spaced out]

i guess they add more of the magic and take away more of the filler?
or add more filler :o

[Spaced out]

am thinking of adding DMAA to Methy just to make it more get up and go. ;)

[alexAmphetamine]

the 1st generation SC were just like really good uncut coke, minus the numbing part, but lasted longer than coke and were cheaper too, and couldn't believe they were legal as they really were THAT good.

2nd generation SC got a bit speedy and still coke like but more watered down effect.

3rd generation SC weren't coke like anymore, mostly felt speedy to me.

haven't tried the new SC out now.

the ingredients for the originals i guess could be sourced by someone.
just don't know whether the other 2 chemicals are legal in the uk? other than mephedrone and caffeine.
we still don't know the ratio of the ingredients used though.
i reckon not too much meph as didn't feel too meph like. originals wouldn't need much caffeine too.

[AtomicBambinoid]

Well screw it i couldnt resist anylonger, I just bought some sub cocas and ill report back when ive tried them.

[SecretAgent79]

I tried sum sc an neo doves not so long ago and gotta say they didnt hit me at all. Since ive been readin posts about how good they and managed 2 get some 1st gens from different vendor, gona try em out tonight.

[AtomicBambinoid]

that sucks, mine just arrived in the post today,hopefully these will be good, im going to give them a go this evening.

[Mr E]

Try again.. hey so how do you rate them? real keen to hear as i plan to order a few Sc's and/or nd's in the next 24hrs!!

[AtomicBambinoid]

Well, they smelt of meph when i opened the envelope and thats pretty much what it was, although i could sleep way easyer and maybe they were a bit more even going. I wasnt dissapointed.

[SecretAgent79]

I tried some sc over weekend and gotta say they were the best ive eva had! They did smell very strongly of meph but the effect was much better and very moreish. Hardly no come down wats soeva. I took em along side them red velvets which were absolute crap! full of sticky stuff?:confused:

[AtomicBambinoid]

What are the spirits and doves like? how are they different to sub cocas?

[shizerbeard]

not tried the new ones or that

but the original (real original) doves were quite speedy as well as having the euphoria, and the sc's were the same but a bit more intense. the spirits were like a serene clean euphoria but not speedy.

[AtomicBambinoid]

Cheers Shizerbeard, does anyone know about the new ones?? I just ordered some more sub cocas since champ is down and because i could actually sleep afterwards on these as opposed to meph.

[SecretAgent79]

Ive made another order of the sc and 1gm of the nd powder, anyone no wat its like?

[AtomicBambinoid]

whats the nd powder?

[SecretAgent79]

neo dove, you can buy it in grams rather than in caps. If its as good as sc il be flyin this weekend!

[Pseudo]

I tried these with Mr Pseudo - they were the new improved first generation sub coca and we really loved them! We had a nice walk into the woods and stayed in the same spot for about three hours. We dropped one each and were both happily surprised by the strength of the come up.Once it evened out we both felt great - very clear headed and good.We opened another cap and snorted it to see what that was like-it was very good! Lifted us right back to the come up which was superb.The powder didn't burn like meph but it seemed to be more caustic on the back of the throat.I may stick to eating them in future.

We hadn't tried any of the other generations so can't compare but we certainly plan to get more of these, they were a lot different to meph alone and I honestly think I liked it a bit better.

[AtomicBambinoid]

I tried these with Mr Pseudo - they were the new improved first generation sub coca and we really loved them! We had a nice walk into the woods and stayed in the same spot for about three hours. We dropped one each and were both happily surprised by the strength of the come up.Once it evened out we both felt great - very clear headed and good.We opened another cap and snorted it to see what that was like-it was very good! Lifted us right back to the come up which was superb.The powder didn't burn like meph but it seemed to be more caustic on the back of the throat.I may stick to eating them in future.

We hadn't tried any of the other generations so can't compare but we certainly plan to get more of these, they were a lot different to meph alone and I honestly think I liked it a bit better.

I love getting screwed and going for a walk around the country side, me and my mates used to do it all the time when we first got into pills : )

[weaselknot]

I don't suppose anyone wants to PM me a source that will ship to the US? N*L**gal*.com is apparently perpetually out of stock. Thanks

[herbert]

I don't suppose anyone wants to PM me a source that will ship to the US? N*L**gal*.com is apparently perpetually out of stock. Thanks i thought meph (or neorganics-caps or whatever) was illegal in the us?

[Pseudo]

I love getting screwed and going for a walk around the country side, me and my mates used to do it all the time when we first got into pills : )

Theres just something really nice about it,eh! What amuses me now is the fact that we're disappearing so we'll be out of sight of our kids for a couple or three hours rather than our parents!!!

Some things change,some don't ;)

[Pseudo]

I don't suppose anyone wants to PM me a source that will ship to the US? N*L**gal*.com is apparently perpetually out of stock. Thanks

If I knew of any I would.All I can say now is if I do find any I'll let you know!

:)