legal PRO-Anabolic, anti-estrogen pills

[wildguy6969]

just checking the web for new and interesting things and i came a across a bodybuilding suppelment site ........ went to the sections and found these pills ...... legal PRO-Anabolic, anti-estrogen pills &%$#^ those sound fun ... he man here i come lol iam kinda skeptical on there claims ...... any actully try this stuff ? might be good if there selling it ! there all lot of pills and powders that look like they would also be good at bulking up !


so any one know about this stuff that could point me in the right direction !



the claims are

•Incredible Strength Gains
•Dry, Lean Mass Gains
•Increased Libido
•Increased Training Intensity and Sense of Well-Being
•In Some, Reductions in Gynocomastia


this is suposed to be like anabalic steroids ....... so if it as good as the real thing then why is it legal ?

not really in to bodybuilding but if this shit works and it's legal ! iwould give it a try :D

[wildguy6969]

What is a typical cycle of Epistane™?

· A typical cycle of Epistane lasts 3-5 weeks and has a range of dosages around 20-40mg. Most people run a cycle similar to 20/30/30/40 or some variation. Others, looking for large mass gains, are running 40mg for 4 weeks or more. It is important to ramp up the dosage in the beginning, even if only for a few days.

What is pulse cycling? (posted in the Epistane™ forum at IBE, written by Dr.D)

Dosing something to intentionally avoid long term sides, such as HTPA suppression and liver damage. With pulsing, the serious, long term side effects of chronic oral treatment are avoided and short term side effect, like acne and mineral retention, are milder that usual. This allows for higher dosages to be used. Basically, if you dosed on an ED basis you would get 100% effect, 100% short term sides and 100% long term sides. If you dose EOD on a pulse protocol, you still get about 60% effect, 75% short term sides but only about 40% of the long term sides. That's not a bad trade off and very economical on the body and the wallet too! Of course if you would have gained 10lbs this means you will only gain 6lbs pulsing, but it also means you can do this for 2 or 3 times longer than a normal cycle. That equals about 2 months of worry free dosing, so the net effect is a gain of about 12lbs instead of 10lbs over twice the time frame with less sides and a milder PCT requirement if even needed at all. It's a great long term strategy and good for newer users looking to run fast, clean, cycles for 1 month with no PCT needed later. That's how I perfected it. There are two basic approaches to do it: EOD or 2on/2off depending on your workout schedule. Doses can be high (30-40mg) but take them close together preferably before 6pm (1 dose pre and 1 dose post-w/o instead of spread out like normal) or doses can be lower (10-20mg) if you want to stretch it to 2 or 3 months instead of just 1. Dose at least 3 times per week but not more than 4.

How Epistane™ Works

Battling Gyno

Estradiol is the strongest form of estrogen in the human body, effecting several organs. Estradiol enters cells freely and interacts with a cytoplasmic target cell receptor (ERα and ERβ). When the estrogen receptor has bound its ligand it can enter the nucleus of the target cell and regulate gene transcription which leads to formation of messenger RNA. The mRNA interacts with ribosomes to produce specific proteins that express the effect of estradiol upon the target cell. Epistane™ works by binding and deactivating the ERβ so that no estrodiol-elicited effects can be carried out in the cell. In the case of breast tissue ERβ is the primary target receptor responsible for growth and proliferation. Epistane™ binds to the ERβ and not only disables the receptor from binding to estradiol, it actually puts the cell in an estrogen deprived state, which decreases the cells viability and leads to a decrease in size and eventual cell death. Other SERMs also block the ERβ receptor and AI’s even block the formation of Estradiol from testosterone conversion. However, the effectiveness at the receptor and long term side effects vary. Epistane™ has been shown to have one of the strongest and longest effects at the binding site, with minimal side effects when compared to other anti-estrogens.

Increasing Lean Body Mass

Epistane™ also binds to androgen receptors located on skeletal muscle cells and muscle stem cells. This then leads to changes in muscle cell function and protein synthesis. In the case of muscle stem cells, they will actually change and fuse with your active adult skeletal muscles increasing the muscles potential for growth and repair. On the opposing side, the presence of androgens actually decreases the ability of stem cells to form new fat cells. So you now have increased stem cell conversion to muscle cells and decreased stem cell conversion to fat cells, giving you more positive effects out of your nutrition and training.

[loathsome]

Epistane is a pro hormone which is pretty much a legal steroid. Yes they will give you good gains if used correctly with a good training regime and a nailed diet.

Epistane is a mild pro-hormone and gives few side effects compared to other legal products although there are things to consider -

As a methylated compound epistane will put strain on your liver - it's recommended that you run a liver support product while on course (milk thistle is the basic although there are products that contain other ingredients)

With any hormonal product you need to carefully consider post cycle therapy (PCT.) The irony is that while pro-hormones are legal the best products for PCT are prescription only (SERMs such as Novadex or Clomid.) While it is essential to source a serm for the more harsh pro-hormones epistane can be ran with a over the counter PCT product - popular ones incude 6bromo and ATD (although if you can source a SERM I'd strongly recommend that instead.)

In conclusion I'd not recommend using any pro hormone without having a solid training plan and diet well established (also never use anything hormonal before you're a minimum or 21 years old as it can seriously fuck you over!!) If you do plan to use it, then get a sensible course set out with all support and PCT products ready before you start.

I'm thinking about doing my first course this year after a solid few years of weight training - but I'll make sure I have a serm in place I don't want to grow tits tyvm

It really fucks me off that many of the shops that sell this stuff don't mention the risks involved with tinkering with your endocrine system and just allow people to buy this stuff and risk the possible nasty side effects (these include shrunken bollocks, bitch tits, hair loss, loss of libido and more....)

[extracrispyhippy]

Agreed, epi is mild at minimum doses, but still will increase strength and muscle tone. At one dose per day for 4 weeks, a guy couldnt go wrong. Happy lifting!

[Neo]

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[bull022]

The anabolic modulater is that two on two off ? How is it cycled? Im guessing it can be taken at same time as IGF 1

[Neo]

You take it continually if you want. Take it at the same time as the IGF-1. Brand is linked to 'London Underground' and probably similar advancements just like in the original Dove/SummerDaze for legal highs days ;) - So you know it's good.

[alcast082]

although this post is not recent I would like to emphasize for anyone that will try pro-hormones to do their research. There are certain protocols involved and supplements one must take to get your body back to normal and to provide support while on them.
also a known side effect of epistane are sore joints, so if you have any joint problems already I would advice to stay away from it.