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nyguy
03-14-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm x-posting from another site, but I think this is important enough that everyone should see it...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/mar/12/online-legal-drugs-stimulants

Looks like the beginning of the end...

"Thursday 12 March 2009, The Guardian. Duncan Campbell

Legal alternatives to cocaine, ecstasy and amphetamines that are sold online are the latest in a new wave of stimulants that could change the way drugs are bought and sold. The drugs are available to anyone with an email address and a PayPal account.

The fact that they are legal and that other stimulants are being developed could alter the whole drugs scene, according to research carried out by DrugScope, the independent information centre on drugs. People who have tested one of the drugs describe sensations similar to those of illegal class A drugs.

There has been much internet discourse about the new stimulants and two in particular: mephedrone - nicknamed "meph" - and methylone. The former sells for about £14 a gram, which is enough for five oral doses. It has many of the effects of MDMA, amphetamines and cocaine and users report intense euphoria, talkativeness and increased tactile sensitivity. It is described as being "two molecular tweaks away" from MDMA and crystal meth, and more closely related to cathinonem, the active ingredient in qat.

The drug, which is made in Chinese laboratories, is imported legally to the UK and sold online from British and Austrian websites or in shops that sell drug paraphernalia. It is often sold on websites as "plant food". One site in the UK reports that it has just imported 2kg of mephedrone, according to tomorrow's edition of Druglink, the DrugScope journal.

Concerns have been raised about the potential harm to unwary users. Dr John Ramsey, a toxicologist at St George's University of London, is also director of Tic Tac Communications, a drug analysis body that studies recreational drugs. Ramsey says the use of the new drugs is a public health concern.

He told Druglink: "They cause effects pretty much like the drugs they are derived from. People end up in A&E because they take stimulants, and they end up in A&E because they take these chemicals.

"Their acute effects are pretty much indistinguishable from MDMA and amphetamines.

"But we have no information on their toxicity because they have never been used as drugs until recently, so there have not been any formal studies. The only real reports we get are from people who either write them up in chatrooms or discussion groups, or end up in A&E."

A Danish teenager died in last May and was in possession of mephedrone but toxicology reports were inconclusive.

One effect of mephedrone can be that it causes compulsive redosing, known as "fiending", where users intend to take only a small amount, but end up consuming their entire supply. "I did eight grams of meph over the weekend," reported one user. "My heart is still beating strangely and my mouth has all the skin peeled off on the inside." Ramsey believes the drugs have become popularised as a consequence of the government's moves to make the benzylpiperazine (BZP) class of chemicals illegal.

"There will always be something on the horizon that is falling outside the legislation," said Ramsey. "The law cannot keep up with what is happening on the street. What we need to do is to explain to users the potential risks they are running."

A Home Office spokesperson said: "If a compelling case is made for any 'legal high' to be added to the list of controlled drugs under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 because they pose a significant health and social problem, we will not hesitate to seek parliament's agreement to do so following reference to, and advice from, the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.""

:mad:

Pandy
03-14-2009, 02:39 PM
Stink. It's only a matter of time before this guilty pleasure is reined in.:mad:

I know this sounds self-centered and maybe even a little nasty, but I do wish the very same people who OD and bring all these amazing substances into disapproving public view would first practice over-dosing on hot-lead administered at ~400m/s, which can be taken orally or via the frontal lobe. It has an LD of 100, scary I know, but the high is so so worth it :rolleyes:

djbubs
04-03-2009, 11:14 AM
aaaarrrrgggghhh!!! no

Can't bloody believe it.

enjoy it while you can peeps!

Mona Lisa
04-03-2009, 11:24 PM
I never thought it would last and am actually surprised the scene is still even around. But I think the scene will continue underground and people will be able to network onto clandestine forums, etc.

It's been fun for me but I don't want to risk getting into legal trouble so when the stuff's eventually banned, I think I will call it a day. It's been great fun though and fascinating experimenting with various things.;)

zander
04-09-2009, 02:18 AM
I never thought it would last and am actually surprised the scene is still even around.

As with the hard core variety of illegal drugs, the "scene" will always be around. I am, however, also surprised how long this particular run has lasted.

Spaced out
04-09-2009, 09:26 AM
nah it will be ok for the moment,

should do man. i mean spice has been under the gov eyes for awhile now. and its still legal.

ovalshapedhedgehog
04-14-2009, 11:55 AM
Yeah but spice is a weed variant. Meph has strong similarities with pretty hardcore class A Drugs.

alexAmphetamine
04-19-2009, 03:49 AM
Yeah but spice is a weed variant. Meph has strong similarities with pretty hardcore class A Drugs.

so has methylone, as methylone is like mdma, but a 3rd weaker, not as speedy and much more cleaner and relaxing and legal.

alexAmphetamine
04-19-2009, 04:01 AM
theres ways round that...

if listing them plant food or not for human consumption doesn't work.

then listing them as bath salts or even weight loss products will work the best with proper warnings and directions, max dosage,etc of cause, so the retarded government can't whine about that.
the last one would work well with any stims. :D

smoking blends could be labeled/sold as incense.


until they make it illegal to get high, theres ALWAYS a way round it legally.

Spaced out
04-19-2009, 05:52 AM
Incence :p makes sence

SuperGreenWarrior
04-19-2009, 12:38 PM
until they make it illegal to get high, theres ALWAYS a way round it legally.

and the way i see it, there never going to be able to do that, because IMO it impossible to distinguish the difference of getting high on alcohol or other drugs,
allough the british public are fickle, easily dominated, and tbh pretty stupid so anything could be done

TheNorthKingdom
04-27-2009, 11:44 AM
You guys are lucky that meph is still legal in the UK. When the danish government learns about a new RC it is getting banned almost immidietly.

I need to stock up this shit because I dont UK as a meph source within europe.

alexAmphetamine
04-28-2009, 08:45 PM
alcohol is very safe UNLESS u drive on it, binge drink or overdose.
thats why it's not banned, plus the government make some big fuck off tax on it.

caffeine is fairly safe in low amount except for epileptics.
in medium-higher doses it causes high blood pressure, palpitations,the runs, sweats, fast pulse, fast heart rate, jitters,shakes.
long term increases risks of heart attacks and stroke.
so thats not entirely safe either.

tobacco is extremely addictive, cancer causing, clogs the arteries, the buzz is shit, it ruins materials/plastics,etc with the tar corroding things, the smell stinks, the smell can get into materials and stay there for years.
imo, cigs should be illegal, shame they are taxed.

weed is even safer than alcohol and u can't overdose on it. but i guess it's only illegal as ignorant cunts look down on it as bad, when they don't know much about it. the only dangerous thing it could do is trigger off psychosis in people with underlying mental problems.

shrooms are pretty safe too. but then it can trigger off psychosis in people with underlying mental conditions.

mdma is fairly safe IF u use a testing kit, drink the right amount of water, don't do it more than once a month.
abusing it several times a week for years on end has been proven to cause long lasting brain damage. as it destroys neurons.
thats why people who cain mdma end up depressed and with other problems.
not enough serotonin and dopamine made as some of the neurons are destroyed or grown back weird.

legal high pills are NOT safe, as u don't know whats in them, manufacturers do lie. so treat them like untested XTC for people who want to take them.
or use a testing kit for them to be safe in the long run.
at least when they were BZP + TFMPP thats all that was in them. now when companies hide the ingredients or lie, u have a problem.

mephedrone i heard various short term bad things about it, myself felt awful on it and after it. it has no known long term side effects. so it could be very dangerous, it's like russian roulette for the user. if they end up with parkinsons or something alse by their 40's cos of it, it's their stupidity.

methylone i'd say is slightly safer, as it's closer to mdma, being bk-mdma.

BZP and piperazines are fucking dangerous, good they are banned. the long term side effects of them i have already experienced like Derealization, and Depersonalization which started after the comedown from I started to use them heavily and had it since, but slowly is fading away, but has been taking years so far.....
legal does NOT mean safe.

so around 50% of the illegals are actually safer and feel much better than some of this legal shit being produced.

salvia seems pretty much safe, i've tried up to 20x so far, was very weird trippyness but nice.
chemicals i have much less trust in for long term harm.

hbw seeds were also nice and doubt they would have any long term side effects.

smoking mixes if they contain natural things i'd consider them fairly safe.
however JWH-018 a chemical legal version of weed, could be dangerous as it has unknown long term side effects again.




so at the end of the day drug taking is about how much of a risk u want to take.
and when i've read about people moaning about some awful side effects mephedrone gave them after abusing it like utter fucking morons. what u expect.... it has no known long term side effects and drug taking should be about responsibility and moderation if they want to dabble in something with no known long term side effects.

i think if the stupid fucking companies would stop hiding the ingredients or lying about it, then legal pills would be much safer for the user and the government point of view.

and things like mephedrone, etc imo should be temporary banned until properly researched for safety, as after all they are legal RC's.

that way the government won't ban them forever, as IF they are pretty safe in the long term. the government won't have anything but people frowning down against them cos they are drugs. so will give them less to act on.

at the moment theres too much problems i can see to why the government could ban them so easily. unconfirmed safety long term, unlisted or untrue ingredients, trying to mimic illegal drugs like XTC so they get frowned upon.

the last one will be hard to get over, unless all drugs were made legal OR we EDUCATE the ignorant people's minds who think drugs are worse than booze.some are, some ain't.

Spaced out
04-28-2009, 08:59 PM
Yes mate. and nice read ;) +rep

Pandy
04-28-2009, 11:10 PM
was gonna post this in General but kinda fits in here too.

Why Does America Have a Drug War? (http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22482.htm)