Sending to the US?

[digdug]

How safe is sending a vacuum-sealed, extremely flat bag of 3-4g of methylone wrapped in paper in sent in a regular envelope? Would one suggest sending using registered mail to ensure its delivery, or just regular mail?

My thoughts are that letter envelopes aren't much scrutinized, just packages. And while my friend wants to send it registered, my thought is that if it is just send using regular delivery, then no controlled delivery/sting operation can be done.

[Mona Lisa]

Personally, I think it's always risky sending anything to the USA which could be considered an analog. If you have to, stick to smallish orders and a regular envelope so it looks like a letter. Just use regular posts so it's handled and scrutinized less. Lable the meph as not for human consumption. And heaven forbid, don't have it sent in capsules:p
You'd probably get away with it but still consider there's a risk involved.

[zhongguo]

totally agree with mona... sending anything to the states is simply not worth the risk at all. the fact that they have open extradition treaties with pretty much every country in europe means that if they use emails and online forum messages to track that it was you who sent the letter, you could be punished by US law and thrown into a US prison... no matter how extreme a situation this seems, its not wrth the risk in my opinion.

[weaselknot]

Theres a 99.8% chance it will get through scot free. Believe me. 2 posters above me are WAY too paranoid, dont live in the USA, and Mona Lisa seems to attack any thread about the USA and research chemicals.

Edit: No USA agency is going to go through the costs and hassle of busting someone for 4 grams of an unscheduled chemical. Just not going to happen. Importing 50 kg, now that might get you a letter from customs but even then I doubt more action would be taken.

I agree. The U.S., especially lately, just doesn't have the resources to do this. I've had no problem in the past 8 years. You may, at the worst, have to deal with postal inspectors, but as long as you don't "intend to consume", and don't sell whatever you may have acquired, your as good as gold. at least from my experience.

[Mona Lisa]

Theres a 99.8% chance it will get through scot free. Believe me. 2 posters above me are WAY too paranoid, dont live in the USA, and Mona Lisa seems to attack any thread about the USA and research chemicals.

Edit: No USA agency is going to go through the costs and hassle of busting someone for 4 grams of an unscheduled chemical. Just not going to happen. Importing 50 kg, now that might get you a letter from customs but even then I doubt more action would be taken.

I understand your point but as a moderator, I feel obliged to help warn of the possible dangers; however remote, they are still real.

[Rusty Shackleford]

How safe is sending a vacuum-sealed, extremely flat bag of 3-4g of methylone wrapped in paper in sent in a regular envelope? Would one suggest sending using registered mail to ensure its delivery, or just regular mail?

My thoughts are that letter envelopes aren't much scrutinized, just packages. And while my friend wants to send it registered, my thought is that if it is just send using regular delivery, then no controlled delivery/sting operation can be done.


Send it regular mail and you shouldn't have much to worry about. Even if discovered the most that is likely to happen is they will confiscate it and send a letter to the recipient informing them they have so long to respond or it will be incinerated.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I agree. The U.S., especially lately, just doesn't have the resources to do this. I've had no problem in the past 8 years. You may, at the worst, have to deal with postal inspectors, but as long as you don't "intend to consume", and don't sell whatever you may have acquired, your as good as gold. at least from my experience.

I remember shortly after 911 DHS requested all the big courier services step up their package inspections. They all complied except the USPS, they said they would only do more work if paid to do it.

[P-Dub]

I've worked in the US mail system, but not customs. I would imagine if it's properly labeled most people wouldn't even know its a drug, but if you try to sneak it in without declaring I think it would be very suspicious if discovered. I've always been able to use my own or a friends mailbox at the college we go to. I don't know if it helps but I feel like people aren't going to question RC's being shipped to a university as much as to a private residence.

[shatteredparadigm]

I always wondered on this, if you were to send something this way would it be best to put some random stranger as the return address? That way even if it's caught, it wouldn't be traced back to you. Plus, it's less suspicious than leaving it blank or making something up.

[nyguy]

I always wondered on this, if you were to send something this way would it be best to put some random stranger as the return address? That way even if it's caught, it wouldn't be traced back to you. Plus, it's less suspicious than leaving it blank or making something up.

The return address is an American thing - most other countries and certainly the UK doesn't bother - blank is actually more correct. Just an educated guess here of course but I think a few grams maybe less than say five carefully sealed in a plastic bag to mask any smell in a greeting card in a regular envelope with no declaration is pretty much bound to get through.

On the other hand bubbles or other capsules that appear to be for human consumption, sent in a bottle with a declaration of vitamins or some such probably won't. Don't even think about trying to import any quantity that might conceivably be for resale. That will get you a visit from the postal inspectors or worse!

Cheers, NyGuy.

[shatteredparadigm]

Send it regular mail and you shouldn't have much to worry about. Even if discovered the most that is likely to happen is they will confiscate it and send a letter to the recipient informing them they have so long to respond or it will be incinerated.

So what do you do when you get a love letter from the DEA/Post Office? Has anybody successfully responded and got their stuff? My gut instinct is to just take it at a loss, but I am curious.

[shatteredparadigm]

On the other hand bubbles or other capsules that appear to be for human consumption, sent in a bottle with a declaration of vitamins or some such probably won't. Don't even think about trying to import any quantity that might conceivably be for resale. That will get you a visit from the postal inspectors or worse!


That's really strange. I know at least one vendor who, for a $20 charge, will cap your RC and label it as a supplement. I honestly don't know which would be easier to get through. On one hand, tons of letters go through all the time. On the other, if it gets opened why on earth would they spend the money to run a spectral analysis on a bottle of "DHEA" or "piracetam". I mean, they simply couldn't do that for the countless vendors who legitimately do ship the stuff here.

[Kernelp4nic]

This thread is ridiculous, no offense. Domestic shipping of anything isnt a big deal at all. international importing gets through 99 percent of the time. once in a while you will get a love letter, end of story.
:p

[scudinvi]

This thread is ridiculous, no offense. Domestic shipping of anything isnt a big deal at all. international importing gets through 99 percent of the time. once in a while you will get a love letter, end of story.
:p

I just want to say I agree 100% with this statement, as long as the package was'nt sent express.

[valseedian]

I've had 2 parcels 'disappear' and 1 was confiscated.


the customs info was correct and no action was taken.. the two that dissappeared, I've never gotten a good answer as to why.

I completely agree with most of the posts here.. there's no reason at all to worry about it... anything under 100 grams won't raise anyone's eyebrow. anything under 20 grams won't even get looked at twice. things in letter envelopes are 99.99%... especially when combined with vacuum sealing.


in all fairness to the nay-sayers, the US laws suck.. NEVER ship internationally ANYTHING illegal.. especially to the US...

[Mona Lisa]

Like others have said, you'd probably get away with it and in the worst case, just get a love letter if it were for a small amount. It's safer though to just have it sent as powder in a normal envelope because capsules would 'prove' intent to consume which would automatically make it illegal under their analog laws. But if it were for research purposes only and was not a scheduled substance, you should be fine. If anything, the vendor is the one taking the big risk since in theory they could be extradited if caught (though this would also be very unlikely).

As I said earlier, I can't officially ever condone this sort of thing when I'm a moderator here. But unofficially, do what you have to do though I'd suggest keeping quiet about it so you don't risk self-incrimination. ;)

[valseedian]

yup, keep it all to pm's boys and girls from America.

you will NEVER be extradited to the USA because of chems with no schedule... the DEA already has enough bull crap on it's hands dealing with the illegals that are beeing cooked up over here already... and the usps 'won't work harder unless it's paid more' which goes double for the fruits at the customs office...

for scentless chems, just create a solution and bind it to cloth (specificly uncolored polyester in most cases) and then just desolve it back out later.. i"ve seen it done on a tv show, and put it to practical use once when traveling internationally successfuly.

[jimestooper]

There should be no problem sending to the US. I'll give you my address if you want to try it. ;)

I've received methylone and mephedrone in envelopes no problem. I think it helps if you put Hello Kitty stickers all over the envelope like a certain vendor.

[valseedian]

There should be no problem sending to the US. I'll give you my address if you want to try it. ;)

I've received methylone and mephedrone in envelopes no problem. I think it helps if you put Hello Kitty stickers all over the envelope like a certain vendor.



since my confiscation happened (3 or 4 months ago), I've done all of my shipments using private sector parcel delivery. Personal opinion, fed-ex is the king of getting anything into the counrty, no questions asked. I've had issues with DHL and UPS, but never with fed-ex.

also, I live with my family, and my mail is usually passed between 3 or 4 hands before I get a chance to see if anything is mine... and the overbearing nature of some of my house-mates forces me to hide alot of this activity.. therefor I've stopped having packages shipped directly to me. instead I've had them either ship 'general delivery' which is held at the USPS untill you pick it up (ID REQUIRED) and 'hold at location' with fed-ex. With telephone notification, you can really keep your packages a secret.

presuming the postal system doesn't fail balls this week, I'll have all of my stock in for another round of blends by friday.