View Full Version : 4-AcO-DMT (Psilacetin)
This is it. This is the new #1. Best possible experience ever. So positive, so beautiful. I felt at home and never wanted to go back. Ideas flowed so quickly and brilliantly. I wouldn't mind feeling and seeing like this all the time.
VERY highly recommended.
Will be posting a detailed report later. :)
scudinvi
08-09-2009, 04:30 PM
You've got my attention..:D
Everyone's been very excited about this stuff, let us know how it is, I may get it next time it's in stock at places I know.
insomnia
08-10-2009, 07:14 AM
oooooo, yes please, haven't heard of this one.
From TiKAL
QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (with 6.6 mg phosphate ester, orally) "Something has started but I decide to join in a full dinner anyway. The effects develop right through the meal, with some hints of animal faces in the pork-chop bones. No movement, nothing flows, but it probably wouldn't take much effort. Another hour and I am dropping off already. The food? Somehow I doubt it. I would be completely unable to tell this from, say, 80 milligrams of MDMA except that I had a good appetite."
(with 7 mg, orally) "Basically I am not in a pleasant place -- quite neurotic -- inwardly turned -- a touch of despair -- considerable visual activity and if I were with someone I might find some sort of reinforcement. The apathy and unpleasantness is ebbing now. My mood might have been negative, and the psilocybin simply amplified everything. There was some intensification of the lights and darks around me."
(with 10 mg, orally) "Approximately forty minutes after the start, there was a flutter and a very high, stimulated feeling, and gradually things began to move very rapidly. It was astounding. When I closed my eyes I saw so many fantastically beautiful patterns, textures, colors. Everywhere I looked, eyes open, the colors were brilliant. The house looked absolutely gorgeous and nature was simply spectacular. It was a little frightening, almost too exciting, after the gentleness of other substances. I could not believe that I was doing it, and that I had the power within myself to see such beauty. I don't know how long this went on but the motion was so rapid that I felt a sort of motion sickness. Then I became quite nauseated and remained nauseated the rest of the day, until things quieted down in the evening, and then I felt absolutely wonderful."
(with 15 mg, orally) "My 'early warning system' alerted me at fifteen minutes, then all was quiet for a while. I start building up again, and I am awfully glad that I am familiar with this transition. Visual distortions. Things distract me. I can't find the cap to my pen -- must I keep writing forever? At this point I couldn't drive, let alone write, and it is just a bit more than a half hour since I took it. The furniture in my office is moving up and down. I lie down, and close my eyes. THIS is where it is at. Visuals are wild. Even with eyes open, with no visual target, there are imaginative visual effects. I imagine a dark room with a fire place going in the middle of the night, with no other inputs, and with my eyes closed I have the body image of being seated in front of that fire and I am amazed by the hallucinations and distortions I am seeing there only there is no fireplace as I am still lying in my darkened bedroom. Sort of a 2x removed hallucination. This is a night-time drug -- the day-light washes everything out. I tried but could not repeat the fireplace thing, and must be dropping rapidly. At three hours I ask if I would try some other experiment. OK, but there are some reservations. At four hours, no reservations."
(with 15 mg, orally) "As soon as I felt the chill and the alert, I lay down and closed my eyes. Indian motif. Abundant fruits, vegetables, leaves, straw, wood, vines. Very responsive sexually. Beautiful, stern, rich encounter with livingness and Indian Gods and serenity. Color and peacefulness. A couple of hours, then elaborateness dropped slightly. At this point top of temple easy, but it was a South American temple, with earth floor, straw, vines full of fruit. Familiar feeling. We are naked and we are children-adults, daring to be there, regarded benignly (stern, amused) (rising through the floor). This is one of the true ones, this plant experience.
(with 12 mg phosphate ester, intramuscularly) "This is strong. There were a lot of wild images in about two hours, and I thought that the day would never end. At about six hours I knew it would, but in fact in the evening I took 100 milligrams of seconal which allowed me to drift into a fine sleep. The next day I was fine."
(with 3 mg phosphate ester, intravenously) "The effects are immediate (in 30 seconds) and I did not have the time to build up any worry -- it was simply too fast. In about an hour I was back where I started from."
(with 12 mg phosphate ester, intravenously) "I had had eight milligrams earlier, with a very good reaction. Here, today, I feel that everything has disintegrated, and I am extremely anxious. I am very confused."
Psilocybe cubensis: (with 1.5 g, orally) "At best, some speckled patterning with my eyes closed, and in general a light intoxication. Certainly not the sparkle of LSD. Dropped quickly and felt heavy and tired, good sleep."
(with 3.5 g, orally) "Took a gram to start with, and it started in ten minutes, but not strong enough, so did the other 2.5 grams. Everything was coming at me in waves, boxing me in, the visuals were in waves and in dark earth colors, orange and brown, not the wide spectrum of acid. I was sea-sick, and vomiting helps some, and a little dope quieted the tummy. Started dropping, and everything became very good, and by midnight I was out. No hangover at all."
4-AcO-DMT, I hear, is like a very clean mushroom trip with some DMT nostalgia to top it off. I haven't personally had a full-blown DMT experience (except in my sleep, of course!), though I can understand what is implied... Shrooms kinda morphs objects and scenery in a kind of irregular manner and it tends to come in waves. 4-AcO visuals on the other hand, the entire world seemed to slowly change to some degree; everything appeared very sharp and crisp; blades of grass looked like they could cut through steel. And everything flowed in unison with such life. The broken clouds in the sunset were especially thrilling to watch, and allowed me to achieve a very zen feeling with the planet, making this substance an excellent meditation tool. Very useful for introspection and problem solving, as ideas flow very quickly and brilliantly. CEVs were quite unreal as well.
Onset is extremely rapid though the ascending time to the peak was very long--almost two hours. This was a good thing though. It built up very smoothly, and the comedown was the same way. There were moments with some confusion before the peak due to the onset (or mindfuck as some may call it), but otherwise I felt very in control afterwards. The euphoria was relentless as the peak progressed and remained well through the entire trip, even after the visual effects subsided.
Senses were hightened considerably. Sound was especially interesting as I could hear the most minute things in such incredible detail, such as the quaint flutter of small birds flying by. Appetite was not really affected. Normally mushrooms cause nausea and loss of appetite--not so in this case. In fact, I was actually a little hungry and eager to try some foods! No entactogenic effects, though the body felt very comfortable. No jitters or tension at all, but it did feel nice to move around.
20mg orally was a very reasonable dose. 15mg would probably be good for a beginner though. Highly recommended. Grab some of this while you can. :cool:
scudinvi
08-11-2009, 01:55 AM
Very good report, your description made me felt like I went through it with
you. Thanks for sharing...:)
THCDunc
08-11-2009, 02:23 AM
4-Aco-DMT is by far one of the best psychedelics around, I had the pleasure of getting 100mg of it a few years ago, was my first true psychedelic experience and what an experience it was. Like mushrooms but with no bodyload or dark side and a very quick come up. I love the time distortion on this stuff, minutes feel like hours.
I've been wondering about the legal status of this in the UK. Everyone else seems to think it's illegal but on the other forum I was having a discussion about this with another member and it seems it may be legal but don't take my word for it, i'm asking someone to check up on this for me.
Glad you were satisfied with the report guys. I hope it was enough to convince. If anybody here enjoys psychedelics at the least, this should be a priority to experience. Top of the list here, and that says a lot, because my list is long.
buriedalivee
08-12-2009, 04:36 AM
sounds like the trip i've been waiting for.:D
how long did the whole experience last?
valseedian
08-12-2009, 11:19 AM
I aggree wholeheartedly. I came into a bunch of this stuff but found thta I needed the money more than a months worth of psychedelia, so I moved most of it..
Ended up taking 1 25mg dose, Got to say, not bad at all.
for the price:
http://users.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Shrooms/shroom1.html
THAT will get u 4-ho-dmt (and it's next step up) for a very considerable price drop over what I've seen in vendors sites.
I was approached and asked if I wanted that gram for $100, I couldn't say no when the next best price I've seen is $250+ shipping.
sounds like the trip i've been waiting for.:D
how long did the whole experience last?
About 6 hours on a 20mg dose.
valseedian
08-12-2009, 11:36 PM
anyone who can get this at a reasonable price could easily make it into a plant feed or bath salt or what-have-you... and charge a fortune... and sell like hotcakes...
says I.
anyone who can get this at a reasonable price could easily make it into a plant feed or bath salt or what-have-you... and charge a fortune... and sell like hotcakes...
says I.
Yep. And the risks seem pretty low. Very benign. Not my kinda business to dabble into though--I enjoy my freedom and privacy. And making huge profits off psychoactives is bad karma IMO.
trypstick
08-13-2009, 03:08 AM
4-aco-dmt is and excelllent substance. I happen to be able to get it at the moment, and I'm going to take advantage of it as soon as I have the funds. If you can get your hands on this, I recommend you do, because you will not be let down!
ashxcore
08-16-2009, 03:44 AM
It's been at the top of my list for eons but I've never been able to get any because of synth problems. Is it back on the radar? I want it!!!
Mona Lisa
08-16-2009, 05:15 AM
I'd love to try it too! Maybe several could go in for a group buy or whatever. But I'm not sure of its legality in the UK though, as it could fall under the Tryptamine acts.
ashxcore
08-16-2009, 07:43 AM
Group buy FTW.
I'd be well up for a group buy :) and I know of at least one source.
THCDunc
08-17-2009, 04:32 PM
I'd love to try it too! Maybe several could go in for a group buy or whatever. But I'm not sure of its legality in the UK though, as it could fall under the Tryptamine acts.
I don't think it does. As far as i'm aware this is the only clause of the UK tryptamine act
"any compound...structurally derived from tryptamine or from a ring-hydroxy tryptamine by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the sidechain with one or more alkyl substituents but with no other substituent."
So this covers most basic tryptamines DMT, DPT, Dipt, etc with the exception of AMT because it has a methyl substition on the alpha carbon not the nitrogen atom. It also covers all 4-Ho tryptamines as these are ring hyrdoxy tryptamines. 4-Aco tryptamines however are not covered by this law, AcO stands for Acetoxy which is a acyloxy group not an alkyl group.
It could be covered as a listed chemical on the misuse of drugs act though, I haven't had time to read the whole list yet.
DiscoBuscuit
08-20-2009, 08:05 PM
I have a question about dosing. How is everyone feeling on 20mgs oral? Like how would you compare it to on a scale of say no effect to the effects of an eighth?
I have a question about dosing. How is everyone feeling on 20mgs oral? Like how would you compare it to on a scale of say no effect to the effects of an eighth?
20mg is a comfortable dose. Comparable to 2-3g cubenis. I wouldn't start any higher than that.
ashxcore
08-20-2009, 11:24 PM
So, in the coming days, I may fall upon 125mg of this stuff. :D
So, in the coming days, I may fall upon 125mg of this stuff. :D
Congrats. You'll love it. :)
shizerbeard
08-21-2009, 11:31 AM
along with MDA and n.n-dmt, 4-aco-dmt is one i defintley want to try at some point
ashxcore
08-21-2009, 12:09 PM
along with MDA and n.n-dmt, 4-aco-dmt is one i defintley want to try at some point
MDA is high up for me, but not DMT. :eek:
enduin
09-04-2009, 06:47 PM
If the group buy idea is not dead count me in!
shizerbeard
09-04-2009, 07:35 PM
me 7
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WelshBoa
09-04-2009, 07:56 PM
Long live the King!
Mona Lisa
09-04-2009, 08:11 PM
God Save the Queen, I'm number 8 (but really number one :D) ;)
http://www.truthdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/queen-elizabeth-ii1.jpg
WelshBoa
09-04-2009, 08:27 PM
Deffo want to sample some of this.
Mona Lisa
09-04-2009, 08:33 PM
Does anyone know its legal status in the UK? Would it fall under the Tryptamine acts?
DiscoBuscuit
09-07-2009, 08:18 PM
Anyone tried dosing with a liquid solution on sugar cubes? Will a 20mg dose fit on a cube w/o dissolving the sugar cube?
shizerbeard
09-07-2009, 08:52 PM
ive heard its legal here in the UK
damn wish i knew of a vendor for this shit"
Mona Lisa
09-07-2009, 09:35 PM
Could be wrong but think it could be the same vendor who was doing the MDAI originally. Might be confusing it with another chem he was selling though. There was once some talk of a bulk buy but it seems to have evaporated, sadly.
Anyone tried dosing with a liquid solution on sugar cubes? Will a 20mg dose fit on a cube w/o dissolving the sugar cube?
What advantage does this method have over putting it in capsules?
enduin
09-07-2009, 11:50 PM
Hey Mona, are you sure you are not talkin of 5-meo-dalt? I that was what the MDAI seller had...
Mona Lisa
09-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Woops, I knew I'd probably gotten it confused. Back to the drawing board...:p
dwayne_dibley
09-09-2009, 01:46 AM
There's a quite well known canadian supplier with it in stock. Very tempted to have a go! I've been out shroom hunting (N.E. England) in my usual spots but found nothing, no fungus what so ever! Might be a bit early I suppose. Anyone having any luck finding any UK? off topic sorry!
There's a quite well known canadian supplier with it in stock. Very tempted to have a go! I've been out shroom hunting (N.E. England) in my usual spots but found nothing, no fungus what so ever! Might be a bit early I suppose. Anyone having any luck finding any UK? off topic sorry!
Yep, and that supplier is quite pricey, but the quality is there. Wait till there is a sale or special... that's how I got mine for half the price.
ashxcore
09-10-2009, 06:30 PM
Yep, and that supplier is quite pricey, but the quality is there. Wait till there is a sale or special... that's how I got mine for half the price.That supplier is not at all pricey. The price is reasonable, especially given its relative rarity. Obviously you wouldn't need more than 125mg to test it. Also keep in mind that the CAD is a fairly weak currency.
THCDunc
09-10-2009, 07:09 PM
I'm expecting some of this in the post this week, hopefully tomorrow :D.
For those who are wondering about it's legality myself and a member of another forum who is very knowledgable on this subject have been discussing it and come to the conclusion that it's defiantely not covered by the tryptamines act. Also i've read the entire list of controled drugs and it doesn't appear anywhere on it.
That supplier is not at all pricey. The price is reasonable, especially given its relative rarity. Obviously you wouldn't need more than 125mg to test it. Also keep in mind that the CAD is a fairly weak currency.
Obviously. But you'll want to buy an entire gram after testing. Not saying it's a terrible price, but compared to other RCs... ouch.
Very much worth it though, yes.
:D
THCDunc
09-11-2009, 11:41 AM
Does anyone know if topping up on this stuff works?
I was planning on taking some tonight but I don't have any scales atm. So I was planning on taking what I believe to be a small dose (no more than 10mg) and then adding more if needed.
ashxcore
09-11-2009, 09:30 PM
Obviously. But you'll want to buy an entire gram after testing. Not saying it's a terrible price, but compared to other RCs... ouch.
Very much worth it though, yes.
:DA gram sounds like an unreasonable amount unless one does it quite frequently. If not, 125mg ought to be sufficient until the price inevitably comes down. I find it the only chem easily available in sub 500mg quantities, though.
shizerbeard
09-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Hopefully will be trying this shortly too if all goes to plan
Quite excited hope it does!
:D
ashxcore
09-14-2009, 05:06 AM
I've read that the duration is more or less the same if you snort it or eat it.
Also, it's around in fumerate rather than HCL so you'll need to dose according to the differences between the two.
I've read that the duration is more or less the same if you snort it or eat it.
Also, it's around in fumerate rather than HCL so you'll need to dose according to the differences between the two.
I ripped this off a chemist's post from BL...
Psilocin freebase MW: 204.3
Psilocetin fumarate MW: 304.3
Ratio: 1:1.49
Level ..... Psilocin(mg).... Psilocetin fumarate(mg)
1................... 4 ...................6
2....................6 ...................9
3 ..................11 ..................16
4 ..................17.................. 25
5 ..................22 ..................33
ashxcore
09-20-2009, 09:47 PM
I don't quite understand that.
sleepy
09-21-2009, 01:24 PM
Don't think it's relevant anyway as it's talking about freebase and fumarate, not HCL and fumarate?
Don't think it's relevant anyway as it's talking about freebase and fumarate, not HCL and fumarate?
It's talking about freebase in reference to psilosin and the required doses for each 'plateau'. You can then use that in conjunction with the psilacetin doses to determine what plateau you would like.
For example, a level 5 experience of 33mg 4-AcO-DMT is comparable to an 1/8th of psylocybe shrooms (22mg psilocin).
And the molarity compares the masses in ratio. I'm too lazy to do the calculations right now, but the information is there to determine the molarity of the HCl salt form.
This sound slike a very interesting substance, I'm up for a group buy if its going ahead, PM me please!
enduin
10-02-2009, 01:31 AM
So any more reports from the many who had to give it a try? Ash?
I'm quite convinced to order, but 125mg is still too much cause eventho I'm curious I don't think this is my thing. Also I'm not the best one for being in charge of the group buy, since the stuff is from Canada and I'm in Europe, a canadian or american guy would be better. Anyone?
So any more reports from the many who had to give it a try? Ash?
I'm quite convinced to order, but 125mg is still too much cause eventho I'm curious I don't think this is my thing. Also I'm not the best one for being in charge of the group buy, since the stuff is from Canada and I'm in Europe, a canadian or american guy would be better. Anyone?
Order from Canada anyway. The vendor requires that you order with a courier for international orders. Courier services wisk through customs without a problem 95% of the time. Priority mail.
I don't understand what this group buy nonsense is. Makes no difference IMHO.
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