Theobroma Cacao

[ShaggyMaengDa]

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[Mona Lisa]

Theobroma Cacao ia available in various extracts and possesses many health enhancing benefits. Good for relaxation, for mood enhancement and as an aid to sleep, many people find this a useful and interesting one to have in their ethnobotanical arsenal.

The most popular version of this chocolate-based compound is the X25 extract, which is active at around 1g. People report health enhancing qualities when used on an occasional or regular basis at this level. At doses of 2-4g's and above, the effect is more pronounced, with deeper relaxation and a more marked mood enhancement.

At dosages above this level the effect becomes much more pronounced, but one should be careful not to take too much, as some people have reported hangover-like symptoms when their experiments have ended.

It's a unique product, very bitter in taste, and is often used with coffee, drinking chocolate or horlicks, usually with copious amounts of sugar to reduce the bitter taste.

It has a growing army of enthusiasts, one which focuses on its health and mood enhancing qualities.

Useful for depression, sleep and anxiety disorders, physical and mental well-being when taken in moderation. Users report interesting synergistic effects when used in conjunction with substances such as coffee and kratom.

All discussion, experimentation of this very special ethnobotanical should take place here.
I can vouch for it. Lush stuff.:) Great to see you here, babes :D

[dave777]

hhhahhahhaha

Thanks for starting this thread.
I'm just on some now, as it goes.
Roughly 3g in a cup of coco. (eyeballed)
Nice to have a mood enhancer that has no comedown (relatively speaking) and that you can take regularly without inflicting damage on self.
(looks down at limbs - ok so far) from regular useage.
I'm open to new views on this though, can never learn too much about owt.
:cool:

[dayZd?]

I'm gonna get 50g's of this stuff, looks like something I would enjoy on a rainy day or if Insomnia is knocking on my door, Horlicks and a few g's of this sounds pretty good.

[Pseudo]

I have my horlicks and my order has been dispatched so I'll get mine this week. Can't wait! :D

[Dez IndO]

this is good for sleeping , and a "ok" sub, when out of kratom..
taste good in coffee , taste good just adding milk ... its good , kinda bitter, but nothing a spoon of sugar cant fix :D

[Cofster]

Gonna try this in a few days, excited! Should I go with 2 or 3g ? Definitely dont fancy any hangover midweek. I'm a coffee addict so I guess I'll just mix it in some hot coffee with sugar.

[dave777]

I just ordered more, as I only have about 5g left.
I didnt realise how much I had got through.

[Dez IndO]

haha, have you eaten 100g of this stuff allready dave ?

i think i have like 60g left , it never gets empty :D

[GoatFarmersInternational]

Huh... Sounds interesting. Maybe one of you should submit an experience report on erowid (as there aren't any at this time)? Just a thought.

[dave777]

haha, have you eaten 100g of this stuff allready dave ?

i think i have like 60g left , it never gets empty :D

yeah, I must have.
I cant remember if I bought fifty or a hundred, so I guess it must have been fifty.
I've only been doing it daily for about a week.

[bass-ket case]

I've got 50g of 25x - tried it a few times but didn't feel much. All it did was give me a slightly sick feeling. There anything I can do to make it work?

[bass-ket case]

tried 2-4g but the more i took the sicker i felt. maybe it's just too subtle for me to appreciate it.

[Pseudo]

I got my 50g order today except it was 60g's! How nice was that? I'll be trying it later with my horlicks :D

[Cofster]

Ok practically baseline after 2g except for pupil dilation ! LOL xD
Topping another 0.5g now.

[P-Dub]

Because it is cacao I would think it would be at least a mild stimulant. Is this true?
If so would it work well with alcohol to give a little more pep to yourself when going out to the bars or something?

[Pseudo]

I really,really enjoyed this. Aftermaybe 20 minutes I became aware of a lovely warmth creeping through my body and I became even more relaxed-last nights sleep was one of the best in months as well-Mr Pseudo had an amazing sleep too and we'll both be having more later tonight :D

[Cofster]

Hm no noticeable effects yesterday after 3g, maybe a nice sleep. Think it has to do with my excessive caffeine intake. Gonna give it another try some other day for sure.

[dave777]

I got my theo delivery today.
Aint had none tonight though, as i reckon I need to get tolerance down.

[shatteredparadigm]

Does the Theobroma Cocao have higher concentration of theobromine than say normal Cocao powder or Cocaomine brand powder? I haven't been able to notice anything, but my tolerance for stims is quite high.

Should have bought the pure theobromine powder when I found it a couple years ago. :(

[Pseudo]

Does the Theobroma Cocao have higher concentration of theobromine than say normal Cocao powder or Cocaomine brand powder? I haven't been able to notice anything, but my tolerance for stims is quite high.

Should have bought the pure theobromine powder when I found it a couple years ago. :(


I thought this might be what you mean?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Theobromine-A-Chocolate-Molecule-15-grams-99-pure_W0QQitemZ330313937432QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_He alth_Beauty_Vitamins_Supplements?hash=item33031393 7432&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1683%7C66:2%7C65:12%7C39:1%7C240:1318

:)

[shatteredparadigm]

I thought this might be what you mean?
:)

I really should learn to look on ebay.co.uk rather than the us version... seriously, you've got way better crap over there.

[dave777]

The only TC I have tried is the 25x from Eurokrat.

You only need about 2g, that is, approx, 2 slightly-less-than-level-teaspoons, for a fuzzy relaxing buzz.
It always sends me to sleep though, so if I have any, it will be later tonight.

[Respect Marley]

This stuff is great.

Can be used to help with sleep, also as a good relaxant. I recommend to anyone TBH.

At least give it a go! I am yet to get this 'hangover' and i am intrigued as to what causes it?! maybe dehydration or something but i have not experienced it yet (to my knowledge) and often take 2.5-4g doses. Duly noted though maybe i should keep my sessions smaller and further apart!

I am intrigued by the possible health benefits and maybe just a gram a day dose would be beneficial! Who knows!

[Respect Marley]

Perfect, thanks for the info. I'll keep the dosage where it is for now, seems about right (at least for me)

[ashxcore]

Someone was offering it in the BST thread back at champs and never got around to shipping it. I am a little disappointed, but I don't plan on buying any.

[shatteredparadigm]

Honestly I don't think you're missing anything Ash, and I love stims.

[ashxcore]

I don't mean theobromine.

[twintornado]

Has any body tried smoking theobroma 25x? I've tried some in a test-tube and think there was affect but further research is necessary.

"Cacao was also believed to be ground by the Aztecs and mixed with tobacco for smoking purposes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacao

[Rocky]

How does this stuff compare with kratom?

Has it got he complete peace and warmth feeling or just a similiar body buzz?

[Dez IndO]

i have 20g's left from 112 grams theobroma :eek: chist ..

i have been thinking some about this cacao , and i cant place my finger onit . i get no effect from it , but it helps me get thru kratom breaks much easyer , mabye i get some effect outovit , i dont fucking know.. placebo mabye..
there is something about the cacao ...
somethig about...
something a...
somethi...
somt..
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something about the cacao ..

[dave777]

I think theo is relaxing.
Its easy to get really comfy in bed on it, thats where the similarity to krat is.
Unlike krat, though, there no stimulation for me, but it chills me out.

[TheNorthKingdom]

Do you get euphoria from Theobroma ?

Sorry if it is a stupid question, but I couldnt find any info regarding it.

[Mona Lisa]

I also find it quite alluring though can't explain exactly why.

[Pseudo]

I don't get euphoria either but it makes me feel all cosy and relaxed. Almost benzo like without the emotional deadening?
I'm not sure thats a good explanation.

Bottom line is I like it!

:D

I'm going for some in a minute!

[Mona Lisa]

Come to think of it, so might I. ;)

[Pseudo]

Well Mona I thoroughly enjoyed mine! :D

Quite funny really, the first time I had some I really didn't like the taste but enjoyed the feel of it afterwards.Now I enjoy the taste too!

[Mona Lisa]

That's just how I was with it.:D

Ditto. :) Gonna make some now ;) BRB

[shizerbeard]

I might give this stuff a go at some point. Sounds like it could be quite nice.

[Pseudo]

I agree with Shaggy. Its incredibly subtle but there are definite effects. First time I had some I was sitting thinking it wasn't doing anything at all for me and gave up on it.Five minutes later I realised that it definately WAS doing something for me and that something was very nice indeed. LOL

I like it on the tail end of a kratom night about an hour before bed - but any time in the later evening is good!

[dave777]

It always knocks me out, but that's cool, because it keeps me off the sleepers, and it gives me a nice krattish body buzz before sleep.

[Mona Lisa]

I also love how it tastes mixed with cocoa.

[Dez IndO]

wtf, seriusly ?
i had 117 gs of this and have no urge to get more .. witch im greatful of :D

[dave777]

I've just made a mug of cocoa with about 3-4g theo in (couldnt be arsed getting the scales out)

I'm not allowed any of my prescribed meds today, due to tolerance breaks.
For example, I have to take 48hour breaks of valium, twice a week, and am on the first day of such break.
I also have to take regular 1 week breaks of my sleepers, and am on day 3 of my sleeper break.

I haven't started my mug of theococo yet as it's too hot.

The reason I made it, is because I am feeling really sketchy.
It dosent give me alcohol cravings like krat sometimes does, but it does give the fuzzyness - and it will see me off to the land of nod no trubs, especially as I had 3mg melatonin about an hour ago.

Maybe Theo is the night time fuzzy, and krat, the daytime one.
Herbs and supplements :) win/win

[dave777]

Yeah, will be back on it soon though.
:)

[Dez IndO]

I just find myself eating tons of chocolate nowadays Dez. Just can't get enough of it. I've just eaten two chocolate bars while typing this.:D

hahah, you cant get enugh of those sugar rush'iz maaan :D
chocolate is actually easy to get addicted to, i try not to eat any "candy" at all nowdays , and its going sweet :p , sticking to the salt ..

good luck duude

[Rocky]

Gonna try this stuff properly tonight before bed. Ive tried it a few times before but dosing by eye and probably not having more than 2g's.

It hasnt been that impressive, was relaxing and all with a hint of euphoria and music appreciation for a minute or two, but also a bit of a sickly feeling as well.

Gonna go for 3g or 4g wieghed out to see what this stuff is about.

This hangover people talk about, is it actually bad?

[dave777]

I should think you will feel the fuzzyness of theo at that dose.
Never had a hangover, so donno sorry.

[Rocky]

I took 3g earlier tonight and i have to say this is buff stuff. Nice, relaxing and warm without getting too sleepy. Its got a slight opiatey feeling, where you get that pulsey massage feeling beneath your skin, obviously has nothing on kratom and the opiates but never the less impressive, and cheap :)

Definitely gonna give 4g a go, and when the next kratom batch comes around gonna let loose 3g of this stuff near the end of 12g GVI/Bali.

The only negatives of this stuff so far is that it has a night time thing about it, it seems relaxing with no stimulation. Unlike kratom which can really boost your energy and productivity this stuff seems to cloud and sedate you in a more "loungey kinda way", obviously still nothing on the kratom sedation but you get what i mean.

All in all a thumbs up, but yeah i agree with others that this stuff is far from a "replacement" for anything else kratomish or opiod. It lacks that "something" special that kratom has. ahhhh kratom.....i am rambling on now ;)

[dave777]

I know what you mean.

Krat in the morning and theo in the evening, - aint done the combo yet, but it sounds like it would be nice, done in that order.
I might have posted on this thread but I have a mogadon starting to work so I not really good for looking back through to check, right now, so am sorry if I am repeating myself.

Sleeping after krat is easy, but this would add something to the tail end of the krat buzz.

[dave777]

Me neither.

Krat to go up, theo to go down after.
Still not tried it.
Just ordered some Druidically Enhanced Thai 2g from eurokrat.
Never tried their RVT, but I remember champs thai being speedy :)

Will do the' krat on a morning, theo in the evening' combo soon, and pass on my experience.
On theo again tonight.

[dave777]

I had inbetween 3 and 4 g in a cup of cocoa (made with cocoa powder) last night.
I woke up with one of those velvety body feelings.
You know like how you wake up after a E, the nice bit, no bad bits.
I didnt get up till about two though, is this what is meant by the hangover?

[Bali Muncher Jim]

I just find myself eating tons of chocolate nowadays Dez. Just can't get enough of it. I've just eaten two chocolate bars while typing this.:D

Do u think its the kratom? I've never really had a sweet tooth, didnt put sugar in tea or coffee, but now I crave sugary stuff, cakes mainly and have 2 sugars in T and C.

[Rocky]

Gonna have some of this at the tail end of 13g of Bali, hopefully will let me nod.

Anyone got any info or advice on how much to take and have with kratom?

[dave777]

I take anything from 2-4g of theo.
Never done it with krat, but heard good reports.
If your like me and theo, you will have no trubs going to sleep.
It is a great muscle relaxer.

[SuperGreenWarrior]

its very nice and chilled, its range of alkaloids is very interesting i think.

about 2-4 grams is about right i agree dave. perfect with kratom

[Dez IndO]

i se ds sells theo now , anyone ordered , report ? as good as ek's theobroma ?

[Dez IndO]

street dealer eyh.. well atleast its good quality than :)

[Respect Marley]

I'll report back, good to hear it is of equal quality!

[TheNorthKingdom]

I also love how it tastes mixed with cocoa.

How much 25x theobroma extract do you use in a cup of cacao? Dont you use alot of sugar to make it taste good?

[dave777]

2-4g
You can sweeten.
Some like the bitter taste.