i am incredibly opiate sick

[Gloombringer]

I will not be around for awhile guys. I am about to battle a serious withdraw from many years of oxycontin abuse. i am already having bad symptoms and I know they are about to get worse.I am doing this cold turkey but hopefully Kernelp4nic was able to help me out of the kindness of his heart and send me some benzos to help me rest through this tough time. Don't worry guys I will be back and better than ever in a week or so an opiate withdrawal isn't life threatening so don't worry like that. Kernel I promise I will pay you back when I get batter. Wish me luck guys I am really gonna need it.

[ashxcore]

I don't know what to say to you. Nothing seems to be adequate. But I'm pulling for you, tacitly.

[nofx]

seen people experience this and its not a pretty sight. hope it works out for you. tampering away from opiates to benzos isn't a solution im afraid you are trading one addiction for another.

[Floodgate]

I'm sorry to hear that Gloombringer, I hope the worst of it is over and soon you will just start to feel better. Keep holding on.

[yopreacher]

Nice of Kernelp4nic. If use the benzos during withdrawal youll be ok. A week of benzo isn't a very hard habit to kick.

[dave777]

Can't kratom help with opiate w/d's?

[Bali Muncher Jim]

Yeah good luck mate, if you need to chat / or wat some company I'll look out for you on teh chat thingy.

You might wanna go to www.thekratomforum.com theres lots of people there who r goin through the same thing as u.

[Pseudo]

Just want to wish you every success with this,lovie. Good luck <3

xxx

[madasslass]

Just make sure you have some nice treats in. Take things easy, be kind to yourself. It'll be over in a few days, week tops - it'll be fine :)

[dayZd?]

Good luck mate.

[TITO 78]

Good luck man, and like was said above be carefull with the benzos.

[Gloombringer]

yea man, unfortunately no benzos came from kernal so i am toughing this out with nothing but water and im in so much pain right now

[ashxcore]

Yikes. It's good to see you on here, though. It's a relief to maintain some form of contact with you.

[introverted]

yea man, unfortunately no benzos came from kernal so i am toughing this out with nothing but water and im in so much pain right now

a benzo addiction is the last thing needed, i came off of benzos and i had seizures

at least with my opiate withdrawals (3 years of fentanyl abuse) i just got sick and hallucinated

all the best brotha, if you can, get some phenobarb or tramadol, those have very low come off and can help you beat the constant throwing up

[Gloombringer]

thing is you don't get addicted to benzos taking them 1 week during opiate withdrawals but thanks for your concern. I couldn't handle it anymore and got 10 5mg vics from my grandmother. Felt like a degenerate asking her for some of her pills but she had extra as she only takes 1 pill a day but is prescribed 2. These will only last 3 days if i stretch it. So if there is anyone out there compassionate enough to help me out with 5-7 days worth of benzos to ease me through this I will send you the last of my prized 2cb (210mg) when I get better and am able to drive to the post office. Thank you everyone for your concern with me it makes em feel good to know atleast somewhere someone cares cause no 1 near me does.

[Cretin]

Sorry to hear what you are going through dude, you will come out of this and be just fine though, stay focussed, and good luck

[Manc]

I always find that staying away from booze and weed really helps, as these seriously make you rattle and crave bad (only had experience with brown, so can't say for oxys). Also, as other have said, benzos are definitiely essential, Nitrazepam makes sleeping easier and Valium for when awake (not too much though obviously!)

[shatteredparadigm]

Can't kratom help with opiate w/d's?

Kratom CAN help with opiate withdrawls. If you don't have any, get some. I've read of people coming off of opiates with Kratom alone. Careful though, I don't want you mixing too many meds and something really bad happen. Seriously look into though, Kratom probably won't make you high at all, but it should help the symptoms.

Good luck! :(

[catfish]

Big bummer, unfortunately.

Oxy isn't baby food and WDs are going to be tough.

I'll back up nofx's comment that swapping to benzos can be a bloody unwise move. My experience is nowhere near as bad as yours... after 2-3 years of 600 mg codeine a day (yeah, expensive...) I decided to kick it... was so ill that tried the benzos. Unfortunately I went for alprazolam. Kicking weak-ish opiates is a few weeks of bad flu, then months of gastrointestinal lousiness (esp. with codeine) - however it's not life-threatening.

Thinking things are getting better and cold-turkeying the benzos, however... nearly killed myself. Please be careful with benzos - real moderation, and stick to long half-life stuff like valium and then taper off when ready (google Professor Ashton's method).

Apologies if this is teaching you to suck eggs, but if I was forced to get a habit with my two favourite drugs, I'd go back on opiates rather than benzos... opiates are bloody unpleasant for 3 weeks or so (followed by dodgy guts for a while) but benzos are fucking nasty and can kill you (stupid me thought alprazolam was a decent idea....)

IME tapering opiates doesn't seem to work, whereas tapering benzos does, so you could take that into account. But if you can take 3 weeks off work, and keep yourself fed and hydrated even though you feel shit, kicking opiates can be done without the lunatic 6+ months benzo WDs (everyone's different of course, and I'm not an addiction doctor though I studied some at university).

I'd be careful with substitutes like Kratom - you're swapping one opiate-receptor agonist for another. Same goes for poppy tea. You can taper but you'll be miserable for longer. Hot baths and as much exercise as you can force yourself to, there are no easy solutions (exercise generates endorphins, but nowhere near as much as normal since the brain *expects* exogenous opiates from your previous consumption)...

Also there's the ibogaine 'treatment' and 'ultra rapid detox' under coma... I'd have to say 'do you feel lucky, punk' because these both sound high risk...

[2kool2]

I have been there my self. You need some kratom. It help's a lot.

[madasslass]

Big bummer, unfortunately.

Oxy isn't baby food and WDs are going to be tough.

I'll back up nofx's comment that swapping to benzos can be a bloody unwise move. My experience is nowhere near as bad as yours... after 2-3 years of 600 mg codeine a day (yeah, expensive...) I decided to kick it... was so ill that tried the benzos. Unfortunately I went for alprazolam. Kicking weak-ish opiates is a few weeks of bad flu, then months of gastrointestinal lousiness (esp. with codeine) - however it's not life-threatening.

Thinking things are getting better and cold-turkeying the benzos, however... nearly killed myself. Please be careful with benzos - real moderation, and stick to long half-life stuff like valium and then taper off when ready (google Professor Ashton's method).

Apologies if this is teaching you to suck eggs, but if I was forced to get a habit with my two favourite drugs, I'd go back on opiates rather than benzos... opiates are bloody unpleasant for 3 weeks or so (followed by dodgy guts for a while) but benzos are fucking nasty and can kill you (stupid me thought alprazolam was a decent idea....)

IME tapering opiates doesn't seem to work, whereas tapering benzos does, so you could take that into account. But if you can take 3 weeks off work, and keep yourself fed and hydrated even though you feel shit, kicking opiates can be done without the lunatic 6+ months benzo WDs (everyone's different of course, and I'm not an addiction doctor though I studied some at university).

I'd be careful with substitutes like Kratom - you're swapping one opiate-receptor agonist for another. Same goes for poppy tea. You can taper but you'll be miserable for longer. Hot baths and as much exercise as you can force yourself to, there are no easy solutions (exercise generates endorphins, but nowhere near as much as normal since the brain *expects* exogenous opiates from your previous consumption)...

Also there's the ibogaine 'treatment' and 'ultra rapid detox' under coma... I'd have to say 'do you feel lucky, punk' because these both sound high risk...


How did coming off benzos nearly kill you? What happened? I have a friend with a worrying benzo habit, what would it be like for him to just stop abruptly?

[TheNorthKingdom]

I hope it is going better for you Gloombringer.

I know that opiate abuse leads to nasty withdrawels when detoxing but arent the withdrawels harder when you have used opiates for many years?

My friend's father was a heroin addict. He said that a cold turkey can kill you if you are addicted and using very high amounts of heroin. Is this true?

[xxdd]

My friend's father was a heroin addict. He said that a cold turkey can kill you if you are addicted and using very high amounts of heroin. Is this true?

Yes, it is possible to die from heroin withdrawal, this is why suffers often go to methadone clinics, substituting a different opiate rather than going cold turkey.

[shatteredparadigm]

How did coming off benzos nearly kill you? What happened? I have a friend with a worrying benzo habit, what would it be like for him to just stop abruptly?

I am not a doctor, but I didn't think sudden cessation benzos was physically dangerous. In some cases it certainly isn't pleasant. I've suddenly stopped taking valium and clonazapam (after abuse but they barely affected me). The only one that gave me problems was Xanax. The rebound withdrawl made me super jittery and gave me panic attacks.

As with almost any drug, tapering is your best choice for least amount of side effects... just giving you my experience.

[TITO 78]

I've heard a couple of places that Benzo withdrawl CAN kill you, you definitley want to go see a doctor to get on a tapering program if you're giving up Benzos. Those things are no joke.

Hey if you're around Gloombringer let us know how you're doing man.

[shatteredparadigm]

I've heard a couple of places that Benzo withdrawl CAN kill you, you definitley want to go see a doctor to get on a tapering program if you're giving up Benzos. Those things are no joke.

Hey if you're around Gloombringer let us know how you're doing man.

Huh... I wonder where you could find actual medical statistics on this type of thing. My personal experience obviously counts for next to nothing, and TITO hearsay isn't much better. Where does one search medical records?

When it comes to your life or the life of a friend always error on the side of safety. So assume TITO's correct... hell even if I do come up with statistics, this is the type of thing a doctor really should tell you.

[generic]

Don't underestimate Kratom as a w/d aid! Stay away from extracts and stick with plain Bali. You won't get any euphoria from it but it WILL knock back w/ds. I wish I'd have known about it back in the day...

Benzos will also help as you already know. Just please be careful!

Immodium (loperamide) will also help significantly- not only with the runs but it will actually give you some relief from w/d. For me 8-10 mg and I could actually function without pooping my pants within 45 minutes. It REALLY helps.

Hit the forums at www. poppies. org and scroll down to the addiction/recovery forum. Also check out, as someone else suggested, www. thekratomforum. com and check out the "using Kratom to overcome addiction" forum.

The good news is that Oxy is a short (but intense) kick.

This is my first post so I have no clue if I have PM privleges yet but if I do feel free to hit me up. I've got a soft spot for anyone kicking anything as I've suffered through it quite a few times myself.

Good luck- you WILL feel better if you hang tough and really WANT to make it to the other side.