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FriendlyToker
07-11-2009, 12:03 PM
Report: London Underground Jax (Bath Salts)



I have to admit that these pills have great potential, but for people who seek more empathy and euphoria, rather than running on walls.

13:15 - swallowing one Jax. Playing computer games while waiting for the effects to come up. Exactly one hour before ingestion of the pill I have eaten 260mg of 5-HTP.

13:55 - first signs that include faster heartbeat and blood pressure. Did not exceed 145 bpm for me while sitting.

14:05 - I feel rushes on my neck and head, as well as legs seem to be very light.

14:15 - empathy and need for a chat is clearly felt. Music starts to gain third dimension, and euphoric motivation for conversation, talking, chatting and connecting with others.

14:25 - I'm thinking deeply about this experience. The euphoria comes in waves, a feeling like getting a great idea, potentiated with the constant aura of joy every few minutes, making me want to talk, debate, think over questions and gain empathic confidence in the state of understanding even more.

14:30 - There's no rapid physical stimulation. Instead there is great motivation and empathy, which encourage me to conversation and action, rather than violent dopamine surge. This is very pleasant, this is what I was looking for, what I wanted to experience.

14:35 - The substance is not fucking your brain. It's not dopamine-frying product, it's directed for serotonin. I have no idea of any truly neurotoxic dopamine activity, but I presume there is, but in small non-neurotoxic level or only in the part of brain responsible for motivation and pleasure, not physical stimulation. I'm sitting, listening to music and tapping on the keyboard, chatting with people.

14:50-15:00 - effects have stabilised. I have to admit that there is a very interesting aspect - thoughts about correlation and my mentality. I feel a bit anxious sometimes, very shallow anxiety moments. I have no idea what is the cause of it. Under the influence of Jax I have felt such changes, but at very short periods of time. One-two minutes of happy joy, followed by about half a minute of this unpleasable feeling. It came out to me that I just had to think over it, and I have considered many things I would never thought of before. I deepened my understanding on this subject, came to a strong conclusion of a need to become a better person. It quickly became a powerful urge, potentiated again by the effects. This feeling stored deeply in my mind and my soul. I want to become a better person, I want to feel neccessary. This experience made me actually see and I know now what I need to sort some things out.
I'm ingesting another 260mg of 5-HTP, so the brain can use as much precursor as needed to synthesize lacking serotonin in the time of heavy use. This is the last dose of it, there's no point in eating more.

16:10 - The effects slowly subside. Legs don't feel as light, but the mental motivation for conversation is still fairly strong. I estimate the effects will go away at 17:00.

16:40 - the high is very weak. I still move my jaw and twitch my arm muscles, but it's nowhere as intense as Doves.

17:00 - a little mental fatigue, but the chattyness does not subside at all. I still enjoy a conversation. No difficulties with any activities, clear normal feeling.


Brief summary:
Dose: One Jax should satisfy most of the empathy-seeking users.

Duration: One hour after ingestion effects start to come up. They rise about half an hour to their peak, which lasts approximately one and half an hour. The high slowly subsides over a period of one hour, to leave the user a bit tired, but with mental motivation and chattyness.

Effects: Very empathic and entactogenic. Little stimulating per se, but euphoria and joy of every move makes - for example - dance feel divine. First effects include raised heartbeat and blood pressure, after then legs start to feel light and rushes of motivating energy run through neck to the head. Then the vision starts to be more "plushy" or "soft" with a feeling of floating, being light. Great interest in conversation. Every topic is worth talking about, discussing and sharing thoughts.
People who prefer running on walls and throwing their limbs all over the club will be disappointed. Imagine dancing again - it won't be rapid and violent, but fluent and pleasant. Moves are performed slower, precisely, from which lots of joy is felt.

Somatic: The pupils are dilated, but only just like standing in a shadow. Reaction to light is slow, but normal. Being outside, in the sun or in presence of light results in no real somatic signs of intoxication. Being inside, in a darkened club or pub, results in slight pupil dilation, but completely acceptable - as I said, being in dark results in dilation needed to catch more light, so it's perfectly normal. There is a difficulty with erection, but not with urination. Clenching jaw and twitching muscles can happen, which can be slightly corrected with a dose of magnesium before ingestion.

Comedown: Feeling of mental fatigue occurs, just like after difficult math classes ( ;) ), but there are no difficulties with keeping on conversations and enjoying the party. There's no comparison with Doves, which left me with impossibility of finding any comfortable position and even a second of sleep - not to mention dying next day. This side effect does not occur at all - as I wrote, there are no difficulties with continuing the joy. After which going to home, eating some good food and going to a very peaceful sleep (which can be a little less refreshing than usual, but the difference isn't that bad - long shower and you're good to go).


I strongly recommend it. Do not play with splitting the pill in half - there's no point. One gave me exactly what I was looking for.

I'd like to remind about doing breaks, as neurotransmitters have to regulate. Ofter ingestion does not give as powerful experience, and side effects overpower the wanted. I reccomend investing in 5HTP in an Griffonia Simplicifolia extract. Do not take the ones with any vitamins, they are useless - 5HTP converts in presence of them in the guts and blood, not in the brain. Presence of it in blood is also proven to damage the heart valve. Ingest around 200-300mg an hour before swallowing Jax. This will intensify and stabilize the effects by synthesizing more serotonin. It would be great to start the supplementation with 200-300mg every day in the morning on an empty stomach at least 3-5 days before, preferably a week. 5-HTP is being conversed slower when your brain has stable serotonin levels. Still, it's worth eating the same amount an hour before the ingestion of Jax, because in case of such surge organism will use 5-HTP when present, which will be fully absorbed and flowing in veins when the serotonin starts to flood. Remember to eat 5-HTP on an empty stomach. If you need to eat, do it two hours before the roll. After an hour it will be mostly absorbed, so you can eat the 5-HTP. After another hour ingest the pill.



P.S.
21:00 - I'm happily talking with people online and writing this report. With a great joy.
It is great.

enduin
07-11-2009, 12:45 PM
good luck! keep us posted

FriendlyToker
07-11-2009, 03:52 PM
The experience is over. So is the report. I will not edit the first post anymore, anything I will want to add will be added as a response.

EDIT: Made a proper report and updated the first post anyway. :)

Neo
07-12-2009, 09:22 AM
Wow ... this is an epic report. Nice one!

FriendlyToker
07-12-2009, 11:08 AM
Forgot to mention: Pupils slightly dilated - just like standing in a shadow. Erection would be a difficulty. Taking a leak, though, is not.
//added a paragraph about it.


Thank you :) Wanted to make this as best as possible.

enduin
07-12-2009, 12:51 PM
Whoa good job mate! Seems like a lot of fun!

The only thing that leaves me puzzled is the BP/heart rate impact: 145bpm resting is quite a racing heart, and in particular if related with a someting that doesn't seem to have a stimulant profile... I was thinking if it can be related to the 5-htp you ingested. Did you notice any heart/BP issue last time when you tried half pill (and if I'm not wrong without 5-htp)?
This Jax stuff sounds like a strong serotonine releaser/reuptake inhibitor from your report, and I personally would avoid 5-htp with that kind of stuff... Maybe the high bpm and anxiety you experienced was due to a very mild serotonine syndrome or anyway serotonine excess in your system?

FriendlyToker
07-12-2009, 12:56 PM
That's not the case, as I have been using caffeine and pseudoephedrine long time before I have started using 5HTP and had the same type of anxiety. I'm probably just not the stimulant kind of person ;)
Actually, the higher pulse (around 120-130, sometimes raised to 140) lasted for about 15 before it loaded, after which it stabilised.

Also, this report proves that serotonin syndrome is not really something to worry about: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6573
besides that, I have asked few people on polish forums. They claim preloading with 5HTP (but not one gram, like in that report, 200-300mg is surely enough) is the "only acceptable way" of eating empathogens. :D

enduin
07-12-2009, 05:43 PM
Wasn't thinking at anything concernting, as it's obvious that you enjoyed the experience quite a lot, just wanted to better understand...

As far as I remember here people suggest to use 5-htp after stuff like MDMA, or if before quite some time prior the ingestion; anyone else can throw a word in?

shizerbeard
07-12-2009, 05:58 PM
Sounds really good!

Well except from the incredibly short duration.

Live4evr
07-13-2009, 02:38 AM
Sounds like you enjoyed these much more than me.

Don't think I will be buying them again - for me, that price is just ridiculous for the short duration and limited effects.

Roll on :o

FriendlyToker
07-13-2009, 12:04 PM
I agree, the short period kills the fun. But I think I could use 1 pill, and after 2 hours from ingestion (one hour after effects kick in) I could pop another one, taking another hour to work (3h after ingestion of 1st, which effects would then start to dimnish) - thus prolonging the effects for about another 2-3 hours. Which could be good for some longer party. Just remember to munch on something in the session to keep some carbohydrates to be used as energy source. Preferably some Mars, chugged down with a vitamin-enrichened juice. Two work more than fine for me, just before the effects kick in (usually 30mins after pill) ;)

Spaced out
07-13-2009, 09:05 PM
These got bketones in them?
I smelt meph :D

Mona Lisa
07-13-2009, 11:19 PM
Sounds like they're mainly compressed and thus time-released meph:rolleyes:

If this is the case, then it sounds like the Champagne Haze would be superior as well as less expensive

FriendlyToker
07-14-2009, 11:33 AM
How are Champagne Haze? Are the pupils dilated? Are they more euphoric, empathic or stimulant? How much do you think one Jax has of Meph? Because if it really is meph, I'mma get just bulk 5g and put it in caps.

Mona Lisa
07-14-2009, 11:36 AM
I honestly don't know but Alex Amphetamine has reported back that some of his friends were quite impressed with them. Perhaps they're a mixture of methylone, mephedrone and perhaps a touch of butylone or even mdpv.

FriendlyToker
08-04-2009, 11:59 AM
A swimmer collected MDAI and said it works very like Jax. Little to no differences, so I presume MDAI / MDMAI/ MMAI / 5-IAI.

Mona Lisa
08-04-2009, 01:54 PM
A swimmer collected MDAI and said it works very like Jax. Little to no differences, so I presume MDAI / MDMAI/ MMAI / 5-IAI.
Pretty intuitive, aren't I ;)

FriendlyToker
08-04-2009, 02:18 PM
Sure! You pretty much pinpointed the substance without even tasting it. Wait... Mr Shulgin? :D

Mona Lisa
08-04-2009, 04:48 PM
Sure! You pretty much pinpointed the substance without even tasting it. Wait... Mr Shulgin? :D

Actually, I did swallow :D

kenta
08-04-2009, 08:55 PM
So the fun is over now? How come LUs sites have been down for a week?

Mona Lisa
08-04-2009, 08:58 PM
So the fun is over now? How come LUs sites have been down for a week?

News to me:confused:

FriendlyToker
08-04-2009, 09:16 PM
LU website does work. I'm planning on eating one jax, and after two hours another one, to keep the flow pumping, this weekend. Gonna report. ;)

kenta
08-10-2009, 09:44 PM
LU website does work. I'm planning on eating one jax, and after two hours another one, to keep the flow pumping, this weekend. Gonna report. ;)
Im not sure which one you use, but the one they mention in their emails and the domain they're sending their emails from are both down.

"The site ********.co.uk has been disabled."

Which is a shame since they sent out a July-20%-off-code a couple of weeks before they went down.