study pill

[breakfastclub]

any tips on what to take for studying ? some thing to help learn and concentrate

[p3anut]

about 6 years ago i rember reading somthing about 2c ? cant rember whot one but it was like a wonder drug that made ppl relly clever ill see if i can dig it up

[weaselknot]

about 6 years ago i rember reading somthing about 2c ? cant rember whot one but it was like a wonder drug that made ppl relly clever ill see if i can dig it up

In PIHKAL, under 2C-D, the first qualitative comment reads:

"(with 10 mg) 'There is something going on, but it is subtle. I find that I can just slightly redirect my attention so that it applies more exactly to what I am doing. I feel that I can learn faster. This is a 'smart' pill!' "

It seems that once you hit 20mg, it is more stimulatory, and the subject describes it as "distracting"

[Gloombringer]

the most commonly abused pill for study enhancement is adderall. They come in 10,20, and 30mg doses and they have a mixture of different amphetamine salts that each absorb at different rates in the body so it leaves you with a smooth comeup and comedown. Many people feel Dexedrine which is pure d-amphetamine has a stronger effect than adderall since the full dose is absorbed much quicker. Dexedrine you can probly get by with a smaller dose than with adderall. But basically this is the best study pill in many people and doctors opinions.

[ashxcore]

I've heard many good things about Modafinil. I'm on the hunt for it, myself.

[GoatFarmersInternational]

Though i haven't tried Modafinil (it's a little expensive and not approved by the FDA in the US, so you have to get it from pharmacies abroad), I'm with Ash... Could be promising. You might also try piracetam, not so much as a stimulating study aid so much as a 'cognitive enhancer'

And yeah, adderal would be good, too. If you have any relatives that are in high school they can probably hook you up:p

As far as the 2c D, I remember reading that in Pihkal, and thinking it was strange... Though I've had only very limited exposure to this (very neat-o) compound, I think that the smart pill aspects of it is a crock. Even if you got your hands on it, you'd waste four hours looking at the cool patterns on you notebook paper instead of actually studying.

[Kernelp4nic]

I've heard many good things about Provigil (generic: Modafinil). I'm on the hunt for it, myself.


Hey PM me if you want a source ;)...

[zhongguo]

3-5mg oral mdpv works wonders

[tNick]

provigil is the us name for modafinil

[yopreacher]

Methylphenidate is good.

[pilipuntos]

Small dose of 4-FA, Desoxypipradol or 4-Methylaminorex if you are able to find it.

[Manc]

Caffeine and Nicotine have always seen me through study, I've studied for more than 7 years in my life and really think a clear head is the way forward. If you don't smoke try some (dry) nasal snuff, which is great for kick-starting the mind. My favourite snuff is http://www.snuffstore.co.uk/wilsons-honey-menthol-snuff-p-240.html

[Kernelp4nic]

provigil is the us name for modafinil

don't get modalert, some people told me recently that it is not nearly as good...

[breakfastclub]

Caffeine and Nicotine have always seen me through study, I've studied for more than 7 years in my life and really think a clear head is the way forward. If you don't smoke try some (dry) nasal snuff, which is great for kick-starting the mind. My favourite snuff is http://www.snuffstore.co.uk/wilsons-honey-menthol-snuff-p-240.html

im going to quit smoking, i dont smoke tons so it shouldnt be to hard. but i though i would try using a patch anyway to see if it will help me study. trying on sat so ill let you guys know how it goes.

[dizygotheca]

so desoxypipradol is recommended? At what point, dosage and time-wise does it become more of a distraction then helpful. Is it better than mdpv?

[evaporates]

35 to 45mg 1,3-dimethylamylamine or modafinil as it's very good for short term memory and will help you study. i find mdpv fucks my short term memory so would not be so good to study on. a good dose of modafinil to study on 100mg

[breakfastclub]

yesterday i used pro plus (50 mg caffeine ) and rhodiola extract 350 mg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea

and it seemed to give me some energy and help clear my mind and i so it would be easier to learn more easily however i still seemed to get distracted.

and now im doing half a nicotine patch 11.5mg which seems to help with focus, im able to carry on doing my work for longer periods instead of taking breaks all the time.

so i think combing them would be a success. the Rhodiola for learning and the nicotine for focus.

[P-Dub]

Recently I had a mid-term scheduled at 6pm. I wanted to cram really good the whole day up to the exam and still be focused and not rambling during the test. I took a 200 mg provigil at noon and it worked great. It was the most satisfied I have ever been after a test. I would definitely do it again, but would use a lot less, I couldn't go to sleep till like 4am

[ashxcore]

Good to hear. A bit envy-inducing as well.

[GoatFarmersInternational]

I took a 200 mg provigil at noon and it worked great. It was the most satisfied I have ever been after a test.

Now I'm wishing that I had some! May have to look into finding some. Is the general consensus that modalert brand is no good?

[Dismember84]

Adderall really works fantastic for studying. I've used it many times for studying and test taking and have never been disappointed. If you can find some definitely try it out.

[P-Dub]

I really like adderall too, but it sometimes feels like im beginning to come up on e. Provigil didn't really have that effect so I wasn't tempted to start dancing or go talk to my neighbors for a lil bit

[breakfastclub]

yeah i was thinking about trying Adderall but dont know if i want to risk addiction and i would have to find it first.

[ashxcore]

We have a health center on campus. I might see if I can get a 'script.

[shatteredparadigm]

Adderall = kiddie meth
Ritalin = kiddie cocaine

Adderall's some scary stuff with real amphetamines in it. Treat it with respect.

Provigil is fascinating. It's a histamine agonist, which just blew my mind initially. Then, if you think about it, benadryl is a histamine blocker which makes you tired (same stuff in nytol and Tylenol PM).

Any of these three can work wonders for studying... it really depends on how your body reacts to things.

[ashxcore]

Ideally, I'd be using Modafinil rather than Adderall. I would feel much more comfortable that way.
Ritalin is not something I am interested in.

[SoulSeeker]

Can anyone let me know what Modafinil would cost them? Especially in america, where it is apperantly prescription free.

Woult this be reasonable:

Modafinil 100mg, 30 Caps for 89 Euro

It struck me as a bit pricey...

[ezenow]

How about low dose mdvp

[SoulSeeker]

How about low dose mdvp
I thought of that too. No experience with it yet, but the morishness seems to much a liability for this purpose.

[ezenow]

Just got a little sample
Will be testing for work 3/4 mg next week
This low dose not recreational see how it goes

Any one else want to chip in about this compound please do

[xxdd]

A lot of the stuff you guys are talking about can be found at:
http://shop.airsealed.com/ - For stuff in made up doses or
http://bulk.airsealed.com/ - For stuff powdered, if you know what you're doing obviously.

Hope this helps.

[GoatFarmersInternational]

xxdd, thanks for the helpful post, but... Are we supposed to openly mention sources? Even suppliers for more or less legitimate medical needs?

I don't really know if this is against forum rules or not... It sort of depends on the definition of 'restricted substance'

Some thing to bear in mind, at any rate...

[xxdd]

From my reading of the rules it seemed that it wasn't only helping people buy illegal substances that we couldn't do, I can of course take it down if it's deemed to break the rules.

[ashxcore]

xxdd, I knew about that place, but their Modafinil is really Modalert, which is shite.
And their Modafinil powder is unconfirmed and out of stock.
Thanks, though.
My problem might be solved soon, but unfortunately not with the smoothness of Modafinil.

[grim]

I am a little suprised that kratom isn't mentioned as a study aid. I find that it provides me with the mental stimulus required and at the same time it calms any excess nervousness and perhaps any random aches and pains.

Of couse, using a drug to aid study would require careful consideration of the dose and the study environment and how your body reacts to whatever study aid you choose. Usually a non-drug method is preferable. However, I am a programmer and I find it very useful for a little boost when I am faced with a demanding day. I would very much like to hear some views on this.

[TITO 78]

I am a little suprised that kratom isn't mentioned as a study aid. I find that it provides me with the mental stimulus required and at the same time it calms any excess nervousness and perhaps any random aches and pains.

Of couse, using a drug to aid study would require careful consideration of the dose and the study environment and how your body reacts to whatever study aid you choose. Usually a non-drug method is preferable. However, I am a programmer and I find it very useful for a little boost when I am faced with a demanding day. I would very much like to hear some views on this.

I think that's a good recommendation, I've never used it to study but it seems like it'd help. Obviously not too high a dose where you are nodding though.

[Phreak]

Though i haven't tried Modafinil (it's a little expensive and not approved by the FDA in the US, so you have to get it from pharmacies abroad), I'm with Ash... Could be promising. You might also try piracetam, not so much as a stimulating study aid so much as a 'cognitive enhancer'.

Not quite true, Modafinil is FDA approved in the US. In fact, Cephalon (the original creators and patent of the 'Provigil' brand) are a US company. They have got FDA approval for Modafinil use in the treatment of narcolepsy, extreme cases of SWSD [Shift Work Sleep Disorder] and obstructive sleep apnea/hyponea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil#Indications) - look under 'Indications' and 'Legal Status'...

You'll see that it is FDA approved in the states and that doses range up to 600mg/day depending on both type and severity of condition. You'll also see that it's Schedule IV, which means whilst it isrestricted, it's actually a Prescription Only Medication, just like benzodiazepines and and things like 'Z' drugs like Zolpidem; Zopiclone etc etc (Definition of Schedule IV Controlled Substances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Schedule_IV_controlled_s ubstances))

In the UK it's still 'Provigil' under prescription, Cephalon have an "HQ" so-to-speak somewhere in Hertfordshire, but you can get it prescribe over here for off-label uses which can be quite numerable. Again, Wikipedia is your friend on this one :)

Also, as for the differences between Modalert (the Indian Sun Pharmaceuticals brand) and other 'name' brands like Provigil, Alertec and Modavigil, there is no difference. Modalert is not generic, it's just made by a different company. There are only slight differences in 'particle size' (there are articles regarding the dispute between companies about the legitimacy of Cephalon holding the patent), but I'm not exactly sure what that means. Googling 'Modafinil' along with 'Nootropic' and 'Forum' will pull up a few pages from other forums that talk about this kind of stuff.

The point is, I've tried Modalert (the one that most people get from UP), Provigil (genuine UK version) and Alertec from QHI and I can say that there is absolutely no difference. If you do notice a difference, it is merely a placebo or a slight intolerance to the varying binders across companies, but the Modafinil drug stays the same. And nope, I don't have source to give out so no PM's please :p you can easily find Modafinil on the net in all it's different brand types. I've even given a few hints above... :)

As for 'cognitive enhancing', this is disputed. There are loads of clinical studies reports available that conflict - namely because of there lack of candidate participants and loose parameters for the trials. However, mixed with Piracetam or Oxiracetam and a good source of Choline (supplements such as DMAE, Centrophenoxine and Alpha-GPC) alongside Modafinil can help clear that mental fog, but it's nothing like Adderall or Ritalin in terms of noticeable stimulant effects. It's the kind of thing that is only noticeable once you engage in something that uses quite a few of your brain's faculties, i.e. when working, public speaking, articulating yourself etc..

Hope this helps! :)
Phreak

EDIT - I have used Kratom + Modafinil (2g UEI + 200mg Modalert) before as a study aid and it works brilliantly. The Modafinil gives you vigilance and focus whilst the Kratom provides a light euphoria of sorts that helps with motivation. Factor in a few coffees and you've got yourself a pretty decent study aid.

[tNick]

ok guys i have ordered this :http://www.docsimon.com/article/geratam-tbl-100x-1200mg along with some choline.
i will let you know how it goes.

[catfish]

The original french (provigil), canadian (alertec), indian (modalert, modvigil), etc. are meant to be the same chemical.

The first-world drugs are usually 100 mg. The Indian brands are 200 mg.

I've used them all. At therapeutic doses (i.e. no insane 1000 mg bombs) they all work as described. Oddly enough I prefer the indian ones. If I was to buy the french I'd go for adrafinil, which is the pro-drug to modafinil (adrafinil metabolises to modafinil) and is an order of magnitude cheaper (sold as Olmifon). Not for long term use, as the liver has to metabolise it to modafinil, but for short term 'study aid' it works fine.

The side-effects of these alpha-adrenergic drugs are only, IME, a problem at high doses e.g. trying to get recreational effects. They don't do recreational effects - they are purely 'concentration' drugs and don't do euphoria.

Both are *much* better than caffeine though, and you won't start writing hyperbolic garbage in your exam from using them.

Functional drugs only, but damn good at what they're intended for. The US and UK military haven't started using modafinil instead of amphetamines for no reason, especially since modafinil is many times more expensive than cheapo amphetamines....

[tNick]

catfish, did you get the headache after trying modalert for the first time? thats the only reason i didnt continue them. i have around 20 pills lying around for 1 year now...