Closing of Forums?

[Live4evr]

I don't get it.

Because we're all into this industry, I'm going to assume most of you know what I'll be referencing.

Why did EDIT, Champs, Legit Hit, etc shut down their forums?

There's forums out there which are devoted to illegal drug use such as BlueLight, in addition to it being our legal right as countries who promote democracies to talk about whatever we like.

Really. You could go up to a copper and say "I smoke weed every day" and he couldn't do anything.

I don't understand why all these forums decided to shut down?

EDIT was my first and thus true love and it's ashame it closed. I monitor(ed) Legit Hit and THC as well, then migrated to Champs, but that closed...and here I am on this new site.....I hope Neo and/or whoever controls this doesn't shut it down. -- We don't live in China or communist Russia ffs. Grow some balls and stand up to whoever dictates to you to close down that you have the RIGHT to allowing such discussion....if worst comes to be, just find another server to host the forum.....

[stux]

Because they were attached to a business, which started to come under fire from the media attention at the tail end of '08 when all the coverage of legal highs really took off, coupled with the rumbles of government bannings in the distance.

It's a damn shame we lost edit and champs, but you can understand why. A quick google search of 'legal highs' came with those two at, or very near the top, and the forums were a hive of potential stories for the media to run, which would have also had a negative impact of the business they were connected to.

[Live4evr]

Because they were attached to a business, which started to come under fire from the media attention at the tail end of '08 when all the coverage of legal highs really took off, coupled with the rumbles of government bannings in the distance.

It's a damn shame we lost edit and champs, but you can understand why. A quick google search of 'legal highs' came with those two at, or very near the top, and the forums were a hive of potential stories for the media to run, which would have also had a negative impact of the business they were connected to.

But hiding the fact just contiunes the problem!

Ok, so what if the media and government focused on such an industry.

Think about it in the long term the stories would be "Oh my god, look at this: People are developing new drugs that mimick the effects of class A drugs which are legal because the alternative is illgeal.....This is dangerous, at last with Weed and XTC people knew the effects but here people are buying legal drugs that no one knows what the true long term effect is.....It's due time that we legalize or at least re-consider and re-classify current drugs!"

Ok sure, we may suffer in the VERY short term, but only good would come of the government noticing.

It's a cat and mouse game, and in this case the government is the cat - NEW SUBSTANCES WILL ALWAYS BE FOUND AND TAKEN REGARDLESS OF THE GOVERNMENT BANNING THE OTHER SUBSTANCES. - The sooner the government realizes they can't win and that their actions of prohibition are actually causing even more problems THE BETTER.

Lastly, I know a business cares about maximizing profit and thus it made sense to stay out of the limelight, but look at the 3 companies in question:

1.) EDIT closed their forum and then took back most (and all of their effective) legal highs.
2.) Legit Hit closed their forum and now the website doesnt even exist!
3.) Champs closed their forum and put up a message saying "we'll be back in a few weeks" but it's been months, they're dead, too!

The one thing the US, UK, NZ, and other democracies have going for them is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. If you don't want your business attached to the forum, then seperate the name and logo and link....but the worst thing you can do is close the forum down, that's giving in, that's denying our rights of living under a democracy, and that's pathetic.

Furthermore, I know no business puts their customers above their sales, but if any business did it would be the legal high industy - without the constant communication and live reports of new drugs the legal high industry would hardly exist, so to deny that forum of communication for monetary gian is exploitation at its best and very pathetic at the very least.

I hope Neo and the rest at Party Pill Highs acknowledges that the forum and customer 'banter' makes the industry work. If not and if he thinks about shutting down the board, just take a look at EDIT, Champs, and Legit Hit.

This is a war on a drugs, and we will not let these idiotic prohibitionists win, so stop caving into them for fucks sake.

[weaselknot]

rationally I agree with stux, ideally I agree with Live4ever

[stux]

I totally agree mate, but at the minute legalisation isn't going to happen no matter how ridiculous prohibition is.. Keeping things underground keeps the good stuff legal and available for longer.

Champs is still running, just low key. He got all his stock taken after a delivery of meph test +ve for amphetamines. It was something like 60k worth of stock apparently, it's all being tested still even though it's been months now. I have a feeling they're keeping hold until they manage to bring the meph ban into place.

Have you checked out chilled times? That's the edit replacement that popped up a few weeks after edit died, hosted by bushy ( old edit admin ) but not connected to any business.

LHF and Fuckled are where the champs members migrated too.

www.chilledtimes.com

The drugs/legals section is hidden until you register, tell them I sent ya :)

[holdout]

it's politics folks... though you may not have a "secret service" type of grudge against you, i'm pretty sure one way or another these store owners received very frightening threats about what will happen to them if they continue.... from some rather "authoritative" entities..... like when chembay shut down they mentioned something that touches upon that, as being the reason for their closure......

of course none of these ppl will ever admit to this, cuz they dont wanna look like pussies haha

[scudinvi]

I totally agree mate, but at the minute legalisation isn't going to happen no matter how ridiculous prohibition is.. Keeping things underground keeps the good stuff legal and available for longer.

Champs is still running, just low key. He got all his stock taken after a delivery of meph test +ve for amphetamines. It was something like 60k worth of stock apparently, it's all being tested still even though it's been months now. I have a feeling they're keeping hold until they manage to bring the meph ban into place.

Have you checked out chilled times? That's the edit replacement that popped up a few weeks after edit died, hosted by bushy ( old edit admin ) but not connected to any business.

LHF and Fuckled are where the champs members migrated too.

www.chilledtimes.com

The drugs/legals section is hidden until you register, tell them I sent ya :)

If I remember correctly it was his methylone is what got tested for methamphetamines not meph...;)

[Neo]

Legal Highs Forum will stay open for a long time to come, but the only way I can achieve this is keeping certain sections of the forum hidden and restricting vendor links.

Some vendors may operate illegally in their countries or sell illegal products to people.

As long as you guys work with me to keep things as legit on here as possible, then we can continue to operate.

This forum is about harm minimization ... the more information that we can collect about substances, effects, abuse potential etc then the more valuable this forum becomes to keeping people safe.

The thing is, specially in my country. People will take drugs whether it is illegal or not ... I try to do my best to educate using LHF and TRIPME (http://www.tripme.co.nz) (My local NZ forum)

TRIPME for instance has many reports on ecstasy pills, test results, possible ingredients, effects, duration etc - this kind of information can be used by people in my country to warn their peers of potentially dangerous street pillls ... which could save lives.

Like wise with Legal Highs Forum ... we all know people will take drugs, but to what excess and in what combination? The more information we can provide the people the more lives we could potentially save.

Taking down tripme, LHF and the legal highs industry could potentially cost lives. If the government will not provide the facility to discuss these things then it is the responsibility of people like myself and you guys that contribute to the scene.

Threatening legal highs forums is threatening lives. Period.

[Spaced out]

neo why don't you host a fund raiser? ;)
It should get some liquidity in other areas as well


I liked the idea of a Donation Raffle

[iodei]

Governments aren't so much afraid or aggresive toward the idea of people getting high. Legally or illegally. The problem is the consequences. Driving under the influence of anything endangers people. People drive (in the us) an average of 80 times under the influence before they get caught. Another issue is drugs tend to increase sexual arrousal. That then leads to sex which of course I'm not against. But sex leads to babies and in those cases most unexpectadly. Some drugs are also harmful to peoples health. And ( in the us) our constitution defines our governments rights. One of those is to protect it's citizens from harm.
That being said... I like tripping and getting high. But saying the government isn't justified in what their doing is a legitimate absurdity. :P

And on the topic of free speech. It's an idea that isn't practical. As legally defined, perhaps. You can say whatever you want but other people will always hold you accoutable to what you say. Law or not

[buriedalivee]

LONG LIVE LHF

[Pickled]

Yeah,let's hope it's here for a longtime.

[Horrorcops]

hey anyone know whats up with fuckled is it down?

[quasimodo]

Haven't been able to get to it for a few hours.

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/fuckled.co.uk

Hopefully it comes back.

[kalank]

echoing the above post, i wonder too what's going on , impossible to log in since yesterday evening.I seriously hope we won't lost one more time other precious sources of informations

[Jaybo]

This is what I get:

Server not found

Firefox can't find the server at www.fuckled.co.uk.

* Check the address for typing errors such as
ww.example.com instead of
www.example.com

* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.

Damn.

[Rigmarole]

yep fuckled down for me too!

[CrashGordon08]

What is going on with Fuckled? It's been down for three days now.

[sleepy]

Yep, same here. Starting to get a bit worried.

Has nobody got any contact with oval though msn or email or something?

[Mona Lisa]

One of their moderators has posted here, explaining how the guy who runs the website has been away and should be back soon to sort it out :)

[youpi]

Hope fuckled will be back soon..

[emisarre]

from what ive heard all is well at fuckled